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(Newark) City Without Fathers (illegitimacy and Crime)
City Journal ^ | 08/09/07 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 08/10/2007 7:29:53 AM PDT by Clemenza

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To: ConservaTexan

Re: Crimmigration

That needs to be part of a bumber sticker.


21 posted on 08/10/2007 8:42:38 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Clemenza

Stop the press!!!

Hillary’s got the answer.

It takes a village.


22 posted on 08/10/2007 8:48:07 AM PDT by detch
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To: madprof98

Well, as a “libertarian-type conservative”, I stick to my views. Government is a failure in virtually every area it gets involved in. Why should we think it would be different for “marriage and family structure”?

I agree that absent fathers are at the heart of this problem, and many (cultural) liberals may true to ignore that fact. But it’s not something that can be changed through government.


23 posted on 08/10/2007 8:59:10 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
But it’s not something that can be changed through government.

It's probably not something that can be *improved* by government, but what do you say about the effect of government-sanctioned same-sex "marriages"? I say that it makes traditional marriage meaningless and serves to erode the institution.

How say the libertarians upon this issue?

24 posted on 08/10/2007 9:37:37 AM PDT by Max in Utah (O Great and Benevolent Rulers of America: WHERE'S OUR FENCE?!)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
But it’s not something that can be changed through government.

Even though, as we all know, it was created as a result of government policies and programs.

25 posted on 08/10/2007 9:47:25 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Graymatter

I got to say this, if you are a young man in Newark (any race, creed or religion) who does take on the responsibility of being the active father of your kids and spouse to your children’s mother, your first thought is to get your kids and spouse the hell out of Newark ASAP.

So there numbers are a bit skewed do to “nuclear family flight” out to wherever, anywhere but Camden is better than Newark.


26 posted on 08/10/2007 10:37:06 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Max in Utah

I think marriage is a religious institution and government should have nothing to do with it. I think marriage should be up to the churches, and civil unions (for heterosexual and homosexual couples) should be the jurisdiction of the government.


27 posted on 08/10/2007 10:37:43 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: madprof98

Let me clarify - it cannot be IMPROVED through government. Almost anything can be made WORSE by government.


28 posted on 08/10/2007 10:38:39 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Why just couples?


29 posted on 08/10/2007 10:44:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I suppose it wouldn’t necessary have to be just couples, but I think a primary partnership would have to be defined for certain things, such as medical decisions. Spousal privilege is another good reason for limiting the number to one - otherwise we could have cover-ups by civil union. Also, I think it’s reasonable for companies to limit marriage/domestic partner benefits to only one other person. But, as far as inheritance, distrubtion of assets, etc., people can involve as many others as they want.


30 posted on 08/10/2007 11:28:26 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I've thumbed once again through my handy dandy pocket sized copy of the US Constitution and I can't find the word "marriage" in their anywhere.

I'm also unable to locate the words 'civil union' in there as well.

Maybe they've emanated from a penumbra I've missed...

L

31 posted on 08/10/2007 11:34:48 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Clemenza

This is the fruits of Feminism and Liberalism. Enjoy, America.


32 posted on 08/10/2007 11:35:48 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Lurker

That’s correct. I was referring to states having civil unions, if that’s what they decided they wanted.


33 posted on 08/10/2007 11:47:58 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
What's wrong with a simple contract drawn up by an attorney? Why does the State need to get involved at all?

L

34 posted on 08/10/2007 11:53:36 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: wideawake
"Newark was falling apart before the riots for a number of reasons - starting right after WWII."

Which interestingly happens to be right about when the last Republicans were elected there. Coincidence ? Naaaaah.

35 posted on 08/10/2007 12:36:52 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Gabz
ping...

According to 2005 figures from the U.S. Census Bureau, only 32 percent of Newark children are being raised by their parents in a two-adult household.
I call BS.

Surely the percentages can't be that high.

36 posted on 08/10/2007 1:48:39 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Clemenza

OK, everybody, let’s blame it on the mothers again. Crime is not the fault of criminals. I am so tired of hearing this from the Manhattan Institute—I think they must sing it in round from at lunch.


37 posted on 08/10/2007 1:53:54 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The end of WWII was when all the defense work dried up, and there was much of it in Newark.


38 posted on 08/10/2007 1:56:19 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

from = form


39 posted on 08/10/2007 1:57:17 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Clemenza

The author says... “single parenthood is a road to lasting poverty in America today.”

Not only today and not only in America - it is a BAD idea anywhere and anytime it has been tried. Why do you think ‘middle-class values’ came into such wide acceptance? As the wisdom of marrying BEFORE having kids spread through society, the prosperity of society increased - that’s why America grew such a big middle class. Stability and prosperity rest on middle-class morality. Government cannot mandate it, but can support and encourage it - and I think they should. Society can also do its part by reintroducing social pressure - if we can get past the fear of being considered prudish and judgemental.


40 posted on 08/10/2007 3:12:03 PM PDT by Shazolene
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