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To: wideawake; bamahead; mnehrling; Equality 7-2521; mickey finn; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; ...
Wideawake:You know that when a column begins by citing Wikipedia as a magisterial authority on its subject, the rest is going to be amusing and appalling in equal measure.

ravingnutter: Your first mistake was using Wikipedia...

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Is that ever true. The Washington quote is one of the most misused by internutters of the isolationist, and other, varieties. Ironically it’s the WIKI version of the quote.

I’ll use The Papers of George Washington since the Address is in their archives for my comments on the theory, other transcripts differ a bit word to word, but legitimate sources include the internutter omission(s)

Rather than

"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to domestic nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."

The 2 paragraphs blended into one actually read, my bold for the deleted line. I’m sure the omission by internutters is an accident, they’re the most principled of political commentators and would never make a deliberate omission to support their point.

The Great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign Nations is in extending our comercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence therefore it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations & collisions of her friendships, or enmities.

Of course the context of the speech is important as the wisdom of our mutual defense treaty with France (yes, we were obligated by treaty to defend France) was being questioned.

No matter, the omitted line negates the purpose the altered quote is generally used for, not fulfilling already formed engagements.

Many of you have actually read the Address, but for the benefit of the internet cut and pasters, the next three paragraphs, my bold as to the reiteration of Washington’s point about fulfilling engagements.

Our detached & distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one People, under an efficient government, the period is not far off, when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or War, as our interest guided by justice shall Counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European Ambition, Rivalship, Interest, Humour or Caprice?

'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign World--So far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it--for let me not be understood as capable of patronising infidility to existing engagements, (I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy)--I repeat it therefore, Let those engagements. be observed in their genuine sense. But in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Personally I suspect a 21st century would recognize that our position isn’t as detached & distant as in the 18th century, and that our ability to defy material injury from external annoyance ended in 1812, as some of us were reminded on 9/11.

But Washington's position on infidelity to existing relationships is clear.

59 posted on 08/09/2007 11:30:04 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson
WOW, thanks for posting!

Time to go and correct Wikipedia..

60 posted on 08/09/2007 11:32:17 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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To: SJackson

A great example of why I find myself reading your posts even when they aren’t directed to me.

Thanks.


61 posted on 08/09/2007 11:33:57 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: SJackson

Thank you!


66 posted on 08/09/2007 11:41:33 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: SJackson
Amazing what a little context will do to clear up things!

Washington was simply saying that no nation has permanent ties to other nations.

We almost went to war with France, a former ally, after the French Revolution and the rise of Napoleon.

89 posted on 08/09/2007 3:09:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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