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To: avacado; Bigun

Unless you can show that those higher tax amounts reduced their profits by the same amount, then you haven’t addressed Bigun’s point.

If a business remits more in taxes this year but raised its prices such that it profit by even more, then the business passed along those higher taxes to its customers.

As long as the same taxes hit all competitors in a market, the taxes simply raise the prices. They have no effect on the profits of the businesses. Remove taxes and you lower prices, again having no effect on profits.

Free markets do not determine prices directly. To say that a price is set by what buyers are willing to pay is only true in the short term. In the long term, markets are created by the after-tax profit sellers require to offset the risk associated with participating in that market. That profit is what is left after other direct costs, taxes, risks, and inflation are taken into account. This establishes the minimum price the sellers will accept to stay in the market.

If that minimum price cannot attract buyers, then sellers will abandon the market, even to the point that the good or service completely disappears. If more than the minimum price is readily available from buyers, then more competitors will enter the market, increasing supply and lowering prices back down to the minimum.


77 posted on 08/09/2007 10:40:43 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789; OHelix; Bigun
Explain again that they pay NO taxes!

EXXON MOBIL CORPORATION
                          FIRST QUARTER 2006
                 -----------------------------------                 
                 (millions of dollars, unless noted)

                                                       First Quarter
                                                     -----------------
                                                       2006     2005
                                                     -------- --------
Earnings / Earnings Per Share

  Total revenues and other income(1)                  88,980   82,051
  Total costs and other deductions(1)                 73,521   69,148
  Income before income taxes                          15,459   12,903
    Income taxes                                       7,059    5,043
  Net income (U.S. GAAP)                               8,400    7,860

  Net income per common share (dollars)                 1.38     1.23

  Net income per common share
  - assuming dilution (dollars)                         1.37     1.22


Other Financial Data

  Dividends on common stock
    Total                                              1,957    1,728
    Per common share (dollars)                          0.32     0.27

  Millions of common shares outstanding
    At March 31                                        6,050    6,366
    Average - assuming dilution                        6,126    6,421

  Shareholders' equity at March 31                   112,463  103,698
  Capital employed at March 31                       122,286  114,171

  Income taxes                                         7,059    5,043
  Excise taxes                                         7,664    7,238
  All other taxes                                     11,049   10,944
    Total taxes                                       25,772   23,225

  ExxonMobil's share of income taxes
  of equity companies                                    521      493

82 posted on 08/09/2007 1:48:00 PM PDT by avacado
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