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Paul Right, Romney Wrong on Iraq and 9/11
John Birch Society ^ | 8-8-07 | Gary Benoit

Posted on 08/08/2007 1:30:04 PM PDT by CJ Wolf

Ron Paul was right during the Des Moines Republican debate when he said that our going into Iraq had nothing to do with al-Qaeda. And Mitt Romney was wrong when he interrupted him.

At the Republican debate in Des Moines, Iowa, on August 5, Congressman Ron Paul made clear that our going to war against Iraq had nothing to do with going after al-Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked us on 9/11.

"The neoconservatives promoted this war many, many years before it was started," Paul said during the debate. "It had nothing to do with al-Qaeda. There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq." As Ron Paul elaborated on how wrong the neocons have been, Governor Romney, apparently attempting to telegraph his disgust with the congressman’s remarks, snidely said to the audience, "Has he forgotten about 9/11?" as he gestured with his hands. A couple seconds later, Romney again rudely interrupted — "Have you forgotten about..." — as Paul continued using the time allotted to him.

Later in the debate, Paul revisited the subject of al-Qaeda. "I supported going after the al-Qaeda into Afghanistan," he said, "but, lo and behold, the neocons took over. They forgot about Osama bin Laden. And what they did, they went into nation- building, not only in Afghanistan, they went unjustifiably over into Iraq. And that’s why we’re in this mess today."

Put simply, Ron Paul does not believe we went into Iraq because of 9/11. But Mitt Romney obviously believes we did. So who’s right?

It is true that President Bush and other neocons in his administration have repeatedly juxtaposed references to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to those of 9/11 in their public statements. In so doing, they have created the impression among many Americans — apparently including Romney — that Saddam Hussein had attacked us on 9/11. But the administration did not explicitly say this and did not even present evidence supporting this allegation. As President Bush himself said on September 17, 2003: "We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th [attacks]."

The administration did portray an al-Qaeda/Iraq connection as a concrete fact. Yet in a January 8, 2004 press conference, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell acknowledged: "There is not — you know, I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection, but I think the possibility of such connections did exist and it was prudent to consider them at the time that we did." In truth, the evidence simply was not there.

By interrupting Congressman Paul with his "Has he forgotten about 9/11?" protestation, Governor Romney not only made himself appear less than presidential, he also confirmed that, where Iraq is concerned, he does not know what he’s talking about.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911truthers; asseenonstormfront; icecreammandrake; iraq; jbs; johnbirchsociety; lunaticfringe; mrspaulsshrimp; patbuchananlite; paul; paulbearers; paulestinians; porkzilla; preciousbodilyfluids; romney; sapandimpurify; tinfoilhats
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"You guys going to get a room or what?"

Aw EEE, I do not blame your meltdown. Paul supporters all around you are disappearing left and right from FR. Why is there a high rate of banning for Paul supporters?
181 posted on 08/08/2007 5:07:40 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: kabar; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Excellent post Kabar

EEE, we "did not give" 20 billions dollars of weapons to Saudi Arabia we are selling it to them and they are paying for it.

182 posted on 08/08/2007 5:07:49 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why are liberalitarians so incapable of seeing beyond their own backyard? Do you not understand that we have a stake in the middle east? Do you understand that, as much as you and Paul and Buchanan would like to crawl under the covers and pretend the U.S. in self-sufficient, we do rely on goods from other countries?

you want us to “give” freedom to the Iraqi people who seem to don’t want it. Oh really? Is that why they had a greater turnout on election day than we Americans do, despite the fact that they were threated with death if they voted? Is that why Iraqi men train to be police and soldiers, knowing full well they are risking their lives with imported terrorists? "We should have left after we captured Saddam and concentrated more of our forces along the Afghan-Pakistani border." Yeah, that worked out really well for the Kurds last time and for the South Vietnamese when we bailed there.
183 posted on 08/08/2007 5:10:23 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: Siobhan

Wait, you forgot ur sarcasm tag. :p


184 posted on 08/08/2007 5:11:15 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Siobhan
If Russia starts a pre-emptive war to protect their nation from an imminent danger such as islamic terrorist threat then they need to do it and we should support them.
185 posted on 08/08/2007 5:12:41 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jrooney; Jim Robinson
Paul supporters all around you are disappearing left and right from FR. Why is there a high rate of banning for Paul supporters?

If this is true, then I ain't posting on no more Paul threads then.

Jim, talk to me man. Is another purge coming?

186 posted on 08/08/2007 5:12:50 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: jveritas

If you pay close attention to what the Russians are saying and doing now, the enemy they have in mind is us ... that’s right, the U.S.A.


187 posted on 08/08/2007 5:15:58 PM PDT by Siobhan (America without God is dead.)
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To: jrooney
Paul supporters all around you are disappearing left and right from FR. Why is there a high rate of banning for Paul supporters?

The only Paul supporters I've seen banned were a couple that signed up in the past few weeks and were 9/11 Truthers saying Bush was behind 9/11.. the old school Paul supporters are still around..

188 posted on 08/08/2007 5:17:27 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You do not think comments like “You guys going to get a room or what?” go over well? What are you trying to say we are homosexual? Look to your words and actions more than anything else. JV has been accused of slanderous comments and rascism recently by some Paul supporters. You do not think words and comments posted has something to with it?


189 posted on 08/08/2007 5:17:46 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: CJ Wolf

Now if Paul can only get the KKK endorsement he’ll be all set wo win the southern racist vote.


190 posted on 08/08/2007 5:18:03 PM PDT by deebee1
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To: CJ Wolf; All
Question for Ron Paul at next Republican debate.

Who is more of a threat to our country?

Billiam the Youtube Snowman

Or

Al Qaeda Terrorists?

or how about a Snowman Terrorist?

191 posted on 08/08/2007 5:18:10 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Ben Ficklin
“Is the subject of this thread Paul, Romney, or Birch?”

Or is the subject nation-building.

I’m also against nation-building. I don’t believe it will work in Islamic countries, nor do I believe that the attempt(s) will be respected in the long run by the peoples of those countries. Now, some factions might take advantage of some of the initial benefits to them. Some factions might play the nation-building thing with us where they think it will put their particular faction in a a favorable “starting gate.” But in the long run, we are building or rebuilding our enemies. We are rebuilding Israel’s enemies, too.

192 posted on 08/08/2007 5:18:25 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: soccermom
Or to give $20 billion in weapons to the country in which 15 of the 19 hijackers hailed from.

19 of the 19 hijackers received training in the US.. I guess it is time to stop buying military equipment from US companies too..

193 posted on 08/08/2007 5:19:41 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What was Slick's response? Paul wasn't commander-in- chief you know.

Paul is not the CIC now, but that doesn't seem to stop him from expressing his opinion. Paul is all hat and no cattle.

Clinton's failure to respond to repeated attacks by AQ resulted in 9/11

194 posted on 08/08/2007 5:20:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Siobhan

Get real and stop the conspiracy theories. Even during the height of the cold war they never thought about this seriously because they know that they will be annihilated.


195 posted on 08/08/2007 5:20:32 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas; fanfan

I never found out if our Canadian FRiends might have better luck?


196 posted on 08/08/2007 5:21:01 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: CJ Wolf
"The neoconservatives promoted this war many, many years before it was started," Paul said

I've always understood the original meaning of "neocon" refers to a conservative Jew.

197 posted on 08/08/2007 5:22:19 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: kabar
"Paul is all hat and no cattle"

I heard this phrase recently from my 82 year old dad who is all cowboy. Never heard it before that. Interesting.
198 posted on 08/08/2007 5:22:41 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Constantine XIII
Having lived in Australia I offer you this tidbit:
Use of Sodium Fluoride for Population Behavior Control: It is a matter of record that sodium fluoride has been used for behavior control of populations. In an "Address in Reply to the Governor's Speech to Parliament" , Mr. Harley Rivers Dickinson, Liberal Party Member of the Victorian Parliament for South Barwon, Australia made a statement on the historical use of fluorides for behavior control. Mr. Dickinson reveals that, "At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Elliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany. While there, he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff. This scheme was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."

199 posted on 08/08/2007 5:23:01 PM PDT by Siobhan (America without God is dead.)
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To: jrooney
JV has been accused of slanderous comments and rascism recently by some Paul supporters. You do not think words and comments posted has something to with it?

The comment was just that, a joke, since you two are always posting together on the same threads. It had nothing to do with ethnicity or race. I didn't even know jveritas was Lebanonese until someone mentioned it in that other thread.

You're the one that's making it into a race issue, not me.

200 posted on 08/08/2007 5:23:16 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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