Possibly this one?
I haven't read it, but it seems to be along the lines of what you suggested.
Posted on 08/07/2007 11:09:25 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Americans extremely wary of China goods: poll
Tue Aug 7, 9:55 PM ET
U.S. consumers are extremely wary of products made in China in the wake of a series of safety scandals, with nearly two-thirds saying they would support a boycott of Chinese goods, a poll showed on Tuesday.
Asked by pollster Zogby International whether they were concerned about buying Chinese products, 82 percent of respondents said yes and only 30 percent said they believed food imports from China were safe.
"The recent warnings and recalls about toxic toothpaste, tainted pet food, contaminated seafood and lead paint-laced toys from China haven't gone unnoticed by American consumers," Zogby said in a statement.
A range of Chinese exports, from fish and toys to pet food and toothpaste, have been found to be mislabeled, unsafe or dangerously contaminated, tainting the "made in China" brand and creating an international backlash.
In the latest scare, revealed after the poll was conducted, Mattel Inc. said last week it was recalling 1.5 million Chinese-made toys globally because their paint could contain too much lead.
The poll, conducted on 4,508 adults from July 17-19, found that 63 percent of people would be likely to take part in a boycott of Chinese goods until the country toughens safety standards.
Just under 70 percent of respondents said they were confident in non-food products from China. But 51 percent said they were unconvinced that China would make good on its pledge to tighten regulations on its food processors.
I hate to admit this but some of the better tires are french (michelin). I’ll be more careful with my purchases from now on. NO MORE CHINESE JUNK!
Possibly this one?
I haven't read it, but it seems to be along the lines of what you suggested.
Thank you! I’ll take a look for reviews and more information.
Actually they can’t feed their entire population reliably, and haven’t been able to. Just because certain provinces show great wealth does not mean that’s China.. China is by and large a poor third world nation.
China will not release its currency for trading as long as it can give itself the advantage of keeping itself at a trade advantage.... They have and will do token increases when they have no other choice, but you are dilluded if you think China will ever let its currency be freely traded.
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,014 in Books, not bad. Average of 5 stars in 16 reviews.
I hope the word gets around. A fun and informative read is the consensus.
Even more urgent and deadly serious vis-a-vis the Chi-coms, The Coming China Wars: Where They Will Be Fought and How They Can Be Won, Prof. Peter Navarro.
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #4,092 in Books , slipped a little since I purchased it. There are plenty of others of this genre of course.
There are many difference between China and S. Korea. On the surface, they may appear to have almost similar problems. However, China's transition to the next stage of economy is more treacherous. China could even break up.
Besides, S. Korea did not export a massive quantity of products which are outright danger to U.S. consumers, such as food items. S. Koreans made sure that export goods are up to basic international safety standard.
Don't fret yerself. Those "French" tires were probably made in the USA (SC or AL).
Well, only time will tell. This webpage keeps permanenet records of all postings. So, I will have to revisit this when the currency is eventually traded.
There is a point where democracy will have to come to China in order for them to continue to move forward. I doubt they've reached it yet. And I believe democracy will come to China.
Ironically, in many ways, the central government in China has less control over the provinces than Washington has over the states.
China could even break up.
I don't believe it will happen. In fact, I believe the opposite will happen. Countries like Taiwan and Mongolia and territories like the Russian Far East and the Northern Islands of Japan will come under China's fold over the next few decades.
The empire will try to expand. However, they will implode. It has serious structural problems, which could unravel. Economic and social problem could make Chinese regime more belligerent, and may pick a fight with foreign countries, but in the process, it will not succeed and implode. This will be the most likely scenario.
It happened in Chinese history before.
The current system will break up. If that happens, China could break up, too.
As you said, Beijing has tenuous control over provinces.
There is a point where democracy will have to come to China in order for them to continue to move forward. I doubt they’ve reached it yet. And I believe democracy will come to China.
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What. Specifically. In 5000 years of Chinese history, would make you imagine for even one minute, that anyone there wants democracy?
Why in the world are there so many, who imagine that buying Chinese goods will make them adopt our lifestyle?
They’ll do nothing of the sort. They will simply become STRONGER COMMUNISTS. Richer. With more weapons and all of our former manufacturing capabilities.
Then what?
That may be a more powerful statement than you think.
Could be a lot of fun too!
But still, I have to wonder... there has been quite the litany of recent “examples” of bad stuff coming from China. How do I know? It has been all over the news. Hmmmm.... all over the MSM news. In orchestrated fashion. Gotta be true if it is on CNN, right? Well wait a minute. CNN doesn’t tell the truth about anything else.
Not saying it aint so, but I am keeping my eyes open. Doesn’t Wal-Mart get a bunch of stuff from China? How long before “phase two” of the plan begins linking these dangerous Chinese products with Wal Mart?
Billions of bucks in the swing here. I’m just sayin’...
What they have their hands full on, is trying to reign in spending by the provinces on infrastructure projects and targeted growth through spending. However, my own personal belief is, infrastructure, in the long run, is money well spent.
The empire will try to expand. However, they will implode. It has serious structural problems, which could unravel. Economic and social problem could make Chinese regime more belligerent, and may pick a fight with foreign countries, but in the process, it will not succeed and implode. This will be the most likely scenario.
There has been alot of posting stating what you stated above. There are riots and instability to be sure. But most of the riot is not due to people wanting to break away, but as a result of local corruption. Wanting government officials to do their jobs and do it with some integrity.
It happened in Chinese history before.
That's not an arguement for saying it will happen now. America once had a civil war, doesn't mean it will happen again.
The current system will break up. If that happens, China could break up, too.
I just don't believe it will happen. But time will tell.
As you said, Beijing has tenuous control over provinces.
"Tenuous", but far from a complete breakup. The people themselves want to be part of China. Exceptions, are of course, Tibetians and the Uighurs (and I'm sure a few other people groups), but their representation isn't enough to break up the country. So, there won't be any break-up anytime soon.
The USSR is an examples used by many on this board as a reason for predicting the break up of China. But those countries within the former USSR saw themselves as their individual provinces (e.g., the Ukrainians saw themselves as Ukrainians and not Russians, same with the Georgians, Kasakstaks, etc.). But in China's case, people throughout most of the provinces and a representation of over 90% of the population see themselves as Chinese. In fact, nationalism is starting to crop up and it is towards being Chinese and not their provincial identity. This was not the case in the USSR.
I don’t know why all packaged and processed food are not required to be labelled with the country of origin of the major ingredient(s). Heck, in many cases they’re not even labelled with the country of manufacture - just an “Imported by:” blurb. I will not knowningly buy any food product made in China or using ingredients produced in China, strictly out of food safety concerns.
“Hanes and Champion were the only sock manufacturers labeled as Made in USA.”
I buy store-brand (Mark’s Work Wearhouse [sic]) jeans and other clothes that are labelled as made in Canada. But I was just recently wondering where the denim was produced - probably in some third world country.
Well, how long was most of the European countries monarchs before becoming a democracy. Through the mellenium(s) wasn't it. And it's only been recently that they've become democracies.
Why in the world are there so many, who imagine that buying Chinese goods will make them adopt our lifestyle?
Actually, I feel the opposite. Why in the world, when given the opportunities to become part of a greater economic system, would people not want more? Including a say in government.
They’ll do nothing of the sort. They will simply become STRONGER COMMUNISTS. Richer. With more weapons and all of our former manufacturing capabilities.
There has been alot of posting regarding China's manufacturing. And there's no doubt that it is quite substantial (i.e., China significantly ships more containers of goods than any country in the world). However, physically providing human labor to machines that assmebles durable goods does not always constitute wealth.
China wants to move up to more value added manufacturing, develop their own products and technology, and create their own international brand. They're not primarily looking for weapons, but instead, be part of the capitalistic system to create their own wealth.
No, blind infrastructure projects could kill the economy. It is a misallocation of resources both in short-term and long-term. Besides, there is a severe financial problem, which could crack at some point not long in the future.
There has been alot of posting stating what you stated above. There are riots and instability to be sure. But most of the riot is not due to people wanting to break away, but as a result of local corruption. Wanting government officials to do their jobs and do it with some integrity.
You know, the seed of rebellion is always mundane. Taxes, forced land appropriations, pollutions, and corruptions. Nobody goes for overthrowing the regime initially. It develops into one over time.
The USSR is an examples used by many on this board as a reason for predicting the break up of China. But those countries within the former USSR saw themselves as their individual provinces (e.g., the Ukrainians saw themselves as Ukrainians and not Russians, same with the Georgians, Kasakstaks, etc.). But in China's case, people throughout most of the provinces and a representation of over 90% of the population see themselves as Chinese. In fact, nationalism is starting to crop up and it is towards being Chinese and not their provincial identity. This was not the case in the USSR.
I beg to differ. There are many outlying provinces where natives do not buy Han-Chinese identity. Even in an area where most believe they are Han-Chinese, it can break up into smaller countries. It happened in Chinese history(some of such divisions lasted for centuries) and in other places of world (Austria and Germany, Serbia and Croatia.)
It requires a lot of blood and oppression to keep the country like China unified. Historical accounts attest to this. And there is no reason to believe that things have changed now. Necessity of such amount of blood and oppression is a huge overhead which can hamper further economic and social development.
China can break up into several areas, and become more like an economic union. Chinese regime naturally encourage nationalism, but China has so many problems that nationalism along could not stem the trend.
Yes, but it depends on which infrastructure projects. Fancy museums and theatres for a general populace that can't afford it, could likely cause short term and long term issues. However, the bulk of China's infrastructure is in the freeways (expected to be as extensive as the US by 2020), power stations, water resource, sewage treatment plants, ports, airports, etc. It may be unbalanced, but in the long run, it is better to have those things that to not have them. Many of America's water resource projects, freeways and dams were built to a larger capacity than needed at the time. However, today they are stretched to capacity.
Besides, there is a severe financial problem, which could crack at some point not long in the future.
An economic tumble is always possible. Countries like Argentina and Brazil were pacing along with Taiwan and South Korea throughout the 60's. Today, those countries (Brazil and Argentina) have had slow growth in the last couple of decades. But I believe China will go the way of S. Korea instead of Brazil.
It requires a lot of blood and oppression to keep the country like China unified. Historical accounts attest to this. And there is no reason to believe that things have changed now. Necessity of such amount of blood and oppression is a huge overhead which can hamper further economic and social development.
I don't believe it's as oppressive as you are stating. But lets say I agree with you. What resources are they using? It appears to me that China is spending more on building the civilian economy than on oppressive means. Whether it is airports in Beijing or opening a mine in Africa to acquire resources.
If you travel to say Shenzen, you will see all of the Fortune 500 so called “American” companies cranking out product for export. The US citizen counterparts to the defective Chinese products should be in jail. The ones that are associated with the deaths of US citizens should be given the same treatment as their Chinese counterparts.
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