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From what I heard the action is good. Unfortunately, they had to load this flick up full of the usual leftwing propaganda bilge.
1 posted on 08/05/2007 3:59:29 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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Modern cinema depicts the military as half wit ultra conservative, closeted homosexual demigods planning some illegal mission with the backdrop proudly displaying pictures of Ronald Reagan and/or George Bush.

Police are donut eating dim bulbs, who carry two extra throwaways bent on killing and/or framing minorities.

Cowboys are portrayed as twangy southern village idiots bent on nailing their 12 year old female cousins.

And this year, to top it all off, "24" has gone green; it's productions are now carbon neutral, Jack will take on global warming, and the series will sport a woman president, named Helena Roseanne Clifton!!!

Gotta love Hollywood!!

39 posted on 08/05/2007 4:42:31 PM PDT by PISANO (There is NO security & there can be none as long as there are suicide bombers!!)
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Best movie on Matt Damon and friends:

Team America: World Police.

42 posted on 08/05/2007 4:48:31 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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44 posted on 08/05/2007 4:50:25 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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I’m going to go see it this week. I loved all of the Bourne books, and the movies have been OK. I haven’t noticed liberal propaganda in the first two so far. Instead, my complaints are:

1. Matt Damon just does not fit my mental image of Jason Bourne. He looks more like a baby-faced kid trying to be tough. Bourne, in the books, was smooth and ruthless. He was also a chameleon, able to shift into different personas instantly, and altering his looks frequently. Damon pretty much stays Damon throughout.

2. Carlos (The Jackal) was one of the greatest villains ever created. The whole conundrum swirling around in Bourne’s head in the first book — “Am I Carlos? Am I the Jackal?” — was gone, as were Carlos’ ingenious moves, always seemingly a few steps ahead of his adversary. Carlos took up at least the number of pages in the first and third books as Bourne himself, if not more. Totally frustrating for the movies not to include this crucial character.

3. The herky-jerky camera work in Supremacy was annoying.

As much as I think Matt Damon is NOT my idea of Jason Bourne, though, Ben Affleck was an even more egregious assault on my idea of Jack Ryan!! Harrison Ford did an admirable job, but Affleck? Geeze. Sum Of All Fears was ruined, in my opinion.

I liked Clancy’s Debt Of Honor and Executive Orders, too, but I’m sure Hollywood won’t make those — especially the viscerally satisfying ending in Executive Orders. The Bear And The Dragon is one that Hollywood can rightfully skip — The Bore And The Draggin’ was more like it. Yeesh. Bad novel.


45 posted on 08/05/2007 4:52:11 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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48 posted on 08/05/2007 4:56:33 PM PDT by humblegunner (Word up!)
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I saw the movie but I didn’t see the propaganda. Somebody had to be the bad guy or guys. It is the third movie in the series. The CIA warriors, off the reservation has been known all along.
It was an exciting movie that was well written, directed and acted.


49 posted on 08/05/2007 4:57:43 PM PDT by em2vn
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The first people the “bad guys” will kill, maim and or put out of business are these idiots who think they are being sheik by committing treason against their own country. History is the proof.
53 posted on 08/05/2007 5:05:13 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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I dare say this is just some liberal jackass trying to hijack a popular movie to try to advance his cause. Evil out-of-control spymasters and rogue black ops have been a Hollywood staple, year in and year out, for the last fifty years, regardless who is President (or Vice President).

99.5% of the population looks at this sort of thing and just laughs at how the lefty idiots try to politicize everything. Kaufman is not winning any converts, here.


56 posted on 08/05/2007 5:11:02 PM PDT by gridlock (Quack ... (thump) Quack ... (thump) Quack ... (thump) Quack ... (thump)......)
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Great car chases and fight scenes, though, as Gertrude Stein would say, there was no "there there."

Speaking of Ben Affleck, isn't he about due for an infomercial?

57 posted on 08/05/2007 5:11:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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Well, pleaseeeees, go see it for yourself. Mrs. Submareener and I saw it this afternoon. It is one, if not the best, of the bunch. The good guys win, and the bad guys loose. Out of control “civil servants” who put themselves above the law, constitution, and common decency take the biggest hits, some of them fatal.


58 posted on 08/05/2007 5:13:44 PM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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Freepers are going to see right through the anti-American garbage in these films, and enjoy them for the action and suspense.

However, all of the major Hollywood releases are marketed worldwide, and young people in Europe and elsewhere absorb all of this anti-Americanism out of Hollywood which just reinforces all of the prejudices peddled to them by their left-wing media. This really does hurt us in the real world.

If ONLY the CIA had people as effective as Jason Bourne going after our real enemies, instead of being packed with liberals undermining the elected president, running their own liberal foreign policy and leaking everything they can to Sy Hersh and Walter Pincus.


60 posted on 08/05/2007 5:14:45 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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It’s obviously fiction - there are CIA operatives who’ve got their stuff together.


62 posted on 08/05/2007 5:16:33 PM PDT by sono (Where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence - M Gandhi)
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I saw the first one on cable. It was okay, IIRC (it was a while ago), but I didn't see any need to go out and see another one.

I already saw one war movie that had a lot of hardware and deception: Transformers (which I recommend)

And if you want anti-government flicks, then watch "The Simpsons Movie". (Of course, in that one, the overreaching governmental act is in the name of saving the environment!)

65 posted on 08/05/2007 5:21:32 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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If Cheney could be proven to have done something illegal, most of us would approve of him being taken to task just like anyone else. The real problem here is that Cheney is merely the focus of those who hate this administration. He is a very capable individual and has the eagle eye. This unnerves the left. How could a person be this competent and at the same time be this confident? That’s it! “He must think he knows everything!” Now string him up.

Here we see a party that is dipped in a socialism undercoat and painted with Marxist flamboyance for all to see. It’s a party more suited to Marxist Europe if not Russia itself. No lesson from history is acknowledged by them. Whee, let’s do it all again people.

On the one hand we have the left incorporating fascist tactics to gain control of energy and the environment. This translates into an attack on our freedoms, namely land ownership and movement. And it translates to them dictating to everyone else what they can and can’t do. Where have we seen this before? Russia? Germany? China?

There’s a power play going on there. Socialists and Marxists can’t sell their world view based on the hard cold truth they represent. No, you have to find some cause to veil it in. Do you want to kill the planet? Join us! If you don’t you are evil! What’s that you say, Socialism and Marxism are evil. Look, get your priorities straight. The ends justifies the means.

We critique our government on point. If the government is growing too big, we challenge. We don’t want to destroy it. We would rather get it back under control, tweak it, make mid-course corrections. These folks don’t mind demonizing our government for all the wrong reasons. They don’t want to fix it. They want to destroy it. If they can undermine faith in our Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches, they’ve done their work. When we see bad actions on the behalf of these government branches, we see the effort to gain control of us being played out. Leftist Legislators, Judges and Presidents are hell bent on destroying our confidence. The worse the decision (at this point) the better. Yes we're tht far down the road. No need to hide the goal any longer.

Now, when the right participates, it just furthers the left’s cause. In the end they hope to install the type of governance that has killed hundreds of millions around the planet just in the last century alone.

Today we see a full court press from the left. They are intent on crippling our economy over the environment. They are intent on spreading disinformation from every possible edifice. They are seeking to break down the government, the community and our families.

In the 60’s my dad used to get angry when he’d see people try to tear down the government. In some ways I thought he was over-reacting. Today I think he was just ahead of his time. In today’s environment ignorance is the only excuse for saying it really doesn’t matter.

Folks, it matters. McCarthy may have been somewhat of a fool, but if you think what he was trying to prevent was a vapor trail, you’re just not tuned in.

66 posted on 08/05/2007 5:22:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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On a realistic note, at the very beginning of the WoT, when the use of harsher tactics of information gathering was mentioned, I was puzzled, because in the entire debate, the *assumption* was that whoever would be coercing information from terrorists would be using techniques that had been used in the 1940s.

That is, those who opposed “torture” *and* those who supported “torture” never even suggested that the US might use anything more technologically advanced then sap gloves and “water boarding.”

How extraordinary! If you look at American violence movies, and even television, they are filled with all sorts of innovative and technologically modern ways of “torture”, far superior to what was used in the 1940s. Even if you dismiss the obviously science fiction methods, you are still left with an “off the shelf” repertoire of “torture” techniques large enough to fill a library.

And you don’t have to be very “extreme” at all. For example, US pharmaceutical manufacturers have hundreds of drugs, many never sold for medical use, that if mis-used, or in this case, “mal-used”, could be very effective tools of persuasion.

We have all sorts of electronic devices that could be implanted in terrorists, from communications devices to bombs. “Return to Sender”, and give them a taste of their own medicine when Mohammed blows up and kills Osama bin Laden with one of his own ribs as a projectile. And no simple search would reveal the 4 pound bomb implanted inside him.

We could use drug-induced hypnosis, reinforced with a small chip implant, and turn die hardened murderers into assassins working for us, who would track down and kill the most hidden terrorist leaders, all the time thinking that they were helping their evil cause.

If nothing else, we could arrest and reprogram radical agitators to be less radical. There is no evil in training someone to not advocate mass murder against innocents, even if it against their will.

Finally, if we did not do these things when we could have, perhaps out of squeamishness, it may have ended up costing thousands of innocent people their lives. And while in most cases, such life-saving ends may not justify the means, in this case a strong argument can be made that they do.

Imagine for a moment if we had some “mass production” means of brainwashing hundreds of terrorists to just go home and not be terrorists, to not advocate terrorism, and to neither encourage others to be terrorists, nor support terrorists.

Who would be harmed? More importantly, who would be saved?

If the terrorists would just stop committing terrorist acts, then the war would be over.


70 posted on 08/05/2007 5:25:53 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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George Clooney's one-two punch of Good Night and Good Luck and Syriana

Good Night and what? Syri-who?

74 posted on 08/05/2007 5:28:34 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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For what it’s worth, some of the finest people I’ve ever met were members of the US intelligence community.


75 posted on 08/05/2007 5:32:29 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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Is it any wonder that some folks all over the world actually dislike us.

Traveling in foreign countries most folks know the United States only from what the see on the big screen.

Hollywood needs to take a very good and long look at it's perverted image and what it is doing to destroy America abroad.

Hollywood is so damn pompous and arrogant they do not have the ability to clean out the rats nest it has become.

Maybe it is time to reinstate the McCarthy commission.

76 posted on 08/05/2007 5:33:37 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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I saw it yesterday. The herky jerky camera shots weren’t quite as annoying as the last movie, and the action was pretty good.

The overall message I got from the movie was that it wasn’t a good thing for US field intelligence to unilaterally order the execution of US citizens, which is actually something that I agree shouldn’t be allowed.


81 posted on 08/05/2007 5:41:49 PM PDT by ex-NFO
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Okay bear with me. This is a topic I'd like to address at length. These portrayals of the government aren't just a simple slip-up. It's all a part of the plan. The left does have one and they aren't ashamed to work it in public.

If Cheney could be proven to have done something illegal, most of us would approve of him being taken to task just like anyone else. The real problem here is that Cheney is merely the focus of those who hate this administration. And I won't stop there. They hate this government. No not just this administration, they hate this form of government. They are doing their damndest to change it. I don't care if it's an AU (similar to the EU), the FTAA or even a lowly transnational security agreement, they want our checks and balances destroyed. Any of these will do that.

Why would they dump on Cheney to further their cause, if he actually desires an FTAA or international security agreement? Well, by destroying the top leaders of the Republican party (the titular head of conservatism even if it isn't operating that way now) they can kill any chance of resurgence. "We don't want more Ronald Reagans than you very much..."

Cheney is a very capable individual and has the eagle eye. This unnerves the left. How could a person be this competent and at the same time be this confident? That’s it! “He must think he knows everything!” Now string him up.

Here we see the democrat party dipped in a socialism undercoat and painted with Marxist flamboyance for all to see. It’s a party more suited to Marxist Europe if not Russia itself. No lesson from history is acknowledged by them. Whee, let’s do it all again people.

We have the left incorporating fascist tactics to gain control of energy and the environment. This translates into an attack on our freedoms, namely land ownership and movement. And it translates to them dictating to everyone else what they can and can’t do. Where have we seen this before? Russia? Germany? China?

We also have the left trying to destroy the war effort. If the terrorists gain ground, freedom looses ground. Hmmm, that might not be all that bad for someone intent on gaining absolute control themselves. Let the terrorists do our work for us, then we can swoop in and probide safety through absolute control.

There’s a power play going on there. Socialists and Marxists can’t sell their world view based on the hard cold truth they represent. No, you have to find some cause to veil it in. Do you want to kill the planet? Join us! Are you an evil warmonger for backing a military response to terorism? You better not be. Nevermind that not standing up to an evil enterprise is faciliting evil, or plain evil itself. No, you better join us! If you don’t you are evil! What’s that you say, Socialism and Marxism are evil. Look, get your priorities straight. The ends justifies the means.

We critique our government on point. If the government is growing too big, we challenge. We don’t want to destroy it. We would rather get it back under control, tweak it, make mid-course corrections. These folks don’t mind demonizing our government for all the wrong reasons. They don’t want to fix it. They want to destroy it. If they can undermine faith in our Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches, they’ve done their work. When we see bad actions on the behalf of these government branches, we see the effort to gain control of us being played out. Leftist Legislators, Judges and Presidents are hell bent on destroying our confidence. The worse the decision (at this point) the better. Yes we're tht far down the road. No need to hide the goal any longer.

Now, when the right participates, it just dumb luck. It plays into the long term plans of the left. It furthers the left’s cause. In the end they hope to install the type of governance that has killed hundreds of millions around the planet just in the last century alone.

Today we see a full court press from the left. They are intent on crippling our economy over the environment. They are intent on spreading disinformation from every possible edifice. They are seeking to break down the government, the community and our families. In the past you have asked yourself, "How could any sane person back that policy?" Well now you know. They are technically insane. They are dedicated. And of course, insane to act as they do in light of historical evidence.

In the 60’s my dad used to get angry when he’d see people try to tear down the government. In some ways I thought he was over-reacting. Today I think he was just ahead of his time. In today’s environment ignorance is the only excuse for saying it really doesn’t matter.

Folks, it matters. McCarthy may have been somewhat of a fool, but if you think what he was trying to prevent was a vapor trail, you’re just not tuned in. Well, that's how I see it. Even if it may not be clearly expressed or expressed the way you'd like to see it.

83 posted on 08/05/2007 5:47:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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