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House consider new oil company taxes [Nancy Pelosi said, "We are turning to the future."...]
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Posted on 08/04/2007 1:10:57 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

House consider new oil company taxes

By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago

Declaring a new direction in energy policy, the House on Saturday edged toward passing $16 billion in taxes on oil companies and offering tax breaks and incentives for renewable energy and conservation efforts.

Republican opponents said the legislation ignores the need to produce more domestic oil, natural gas and coal. One GOP lawmaker bemoaned "the pure venom ... against the oil and gas industry."

Yet as the Democratic-controlled House began debating energy proposals, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, "We are turning to the future."

Pelosi, D-Calif., said it was essential to commit to renewable energy such as wind power and energy from biomass while also reducing reliance on fossil fuels. Doing so, she said, will help address global warming and make the country more energy independent.

"It's about our children, about our future, the world in which they live," Pelosi said.

She has pledged to have the House pass energy legislation before lawmakers depart this weekend for a monthlong vacation.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; energy; taxes
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To: Sub-Driver
Pelosi is a socialist idiot. The oil companies won’t pay a penny in new taxes. They will just pass it along to the consumer.
21 posted on 08/04/2007 1:30:58 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (If you want to be lied to ,turn on your TV!)
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To: tbpiper
"When they want to do something odious, this is always the first thing out of their mouths. Well, what about the children? How about the children's milk going to $10.00/gal because all the corn is going to ethanol?"

That's about as ridiculous a statement as Pelosi's.

Milk doesn't come from corn.
Any corn fed to dairy cows is grown by the dairy farmer, he doesn't buy it on the open market. If he did, by your reckoning milk would already be costing $5 a gallon.

Corn silage (the stuff fed to dairy cattle) is a very low quality type which isn't grown to full maturity, it is chopped down husk and all and mixed in with other stuff like alfalfa, oats and fermented in a silo.
Corn isn't even a necessary ingredient in silage, barely, soy can be used instead.
Corn grown for feed isn't costly to grow, even if seed prices were to rise.

I'd be more concerned about pork prices going up, because pigs are feed a much higher and purer concentration of corn in their feed. Even then, your talking pennies a pound.

22 posted on 08/04/2007 1:38:13 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Oh but don’t you know? The taxes and the suffering are for the little people, not the ruling elite./s

Watching Hannity and what’s his name, he had on that snotty brat Congressman Weiner (no kidding, that’s his name, with a personality to match). Anyhow, this twit proceeds to pronounce that only he knows the rules, not anyone outside the House elite.

There are those who will always manage to get theirs - and yours too. But there is a day of reckoning coming soon. The left wants to overthrow our government in favor of a totalitarian regime. How are they going to do it without guns? As Zell Miller says: “With what, spitballs?”

My powder is dry - how’s yours?


23 posted on 08/04/2007 1:38:19 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: Sub-Driver
"We are turning to the future."
What the hell does that mean?
"We are turning to the future." How retarded are these clowns?
24 posted on 08/04/2007 1:44:27 PM PDT by coffee260 (coffee)
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To: tbpiper

Besides, if corn prices rise because of increased demand, that is a GOOD thing. It’s about time farmers were paid above what it actually costs to grow the stuff, instead of the government handing out my money for subsidies.
Plus there is no shortage of acrage to handle any increased corn production.

These milk price increase scares are just leftist anti Bush/ethanol rantings that are totaly false.


25 posted on 08/04/2007 1:45:07 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sub-Driver

taxation, all about control.


26 posted on 08/04/2007 1:46:34 PM PDT by television is just wrong (I'm with Fred too.)
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To: NTHockey
"My powder is dry - how’s yours?"

I've squirreled away a substantial stock pile of all necessary goods :o)

There's a day of reckoning coming, no doubt about it.

27 posted on 08/04/2007 1:49:08 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sub-Driver
I’ve wondered before about what would the effect be on the average working slob if instead of a tax on fuel and energy, it was subsidized? If the federal government eliminated all subsidies(including welfare and SS) except one, and transferred all that subsidy money to fuel/energy, what would the effect be? I realize some people would suffer horribly from lack of welfare and social security benefits. And fuel consumption would skyrocket until prices brought down the demand, but then profits in the fuel industry would skyrocket. Everyone and his brother would want into the fuel industry and fuel production would expand like magic, thus bringing down costs.

To be fair, the subsidies would have to be spread around to all forms of energy, not just fossil fuels. Heck, we could even dump heavier subsidies on the other forms...hydro, wind, nuclear, etc. And also research on batteries, hydrogen, nuclear fusion, etc.

At some point, we need to get people to understand that once society progresses to a certain level of technology, energy production becomes everything. As it stands, our bodies are literally made of petroleum. Our food is petroleum and sunlight converted to digestible forms. In the old days it was merely sunlight converted to digestible forms. But today’s level of world population and standard of living, we are required to utilize petroleum.

Fertilizer, insecticides, refrigeration, transportation, packaging, lubricants, solvents, coatings, plastics, seals, tires, hydraulics, composite materials, synthetic fabrics...none of these things exist without petroleum. It’s as necessary to human life as air water and sun.

28 posted on 08/04/2007 1:55:51 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: dufekin
"Taxing all potential sources of fuel, particularly imported fuel, will drastically increase the costs thereof and thereby will sew misery but successfully will quash demand and consequently lead to energy independence if the people do not rise and restore sanity at the next election."

No, what will happen is the higher cost of fuel will either drive business out of business, AND drive inflation into double digits, and cause an economic nightmare, and possibly a depression twice or more as bad and longer lasting than the dirty thirties. THAT is what every American should FEAR should the RATS gain total control.

29 posted on 08/04/2007 1:56:18 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sub-Driver
What are we going to call these new taxes?

How about we call it a "Windfall Profits Tax"?

30 posted on 08/04/2007 1:58:00 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: mamelukesabre

You got it.

Starve the nation of petrolium and you will effectively kill it’s industry. And with all these Mexicans flooding over, all the people on social programs suddenly hungry, what does everyone think will happen? Givernment will have no money for social handouts, they will have nobody to tax.

Hell on earth will happen.


31 posted on 08/04/2007 2:00:47 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sub-Driver

” We’re turning toward the future” Yea and your NOT in it!!!! These dopes are going to try and tax the oil companies and they in turn will pass it along to the consumer! What a bunch of sad a## losers! This is all we have to send to Washington to represent us? Come on people, lets get with it!


32 posted on 08/04/2007 2:04:22 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: mamelukesabre

I don’t think people realize just how fast society can collapse. They think it will be a slow downward spiral.
It can happen overnight, within a week we could have looting, within a month total civil war.


33 posted on 08/04/2007 2:04:57 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sub-Driver
"idiots......."

LOL! That sums them up perfectly. :D

34 posted on 08/04/2007 2:17:18 PM PDT by peterpaul12345
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To: Nathan Zachary

Yep, I think I’m gonna go down the basement and take inventory tonight. I havn’t checked ammo and food stores for quite awhile.


35 posted on 08/04/2007 2:17:57 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Sub-Driver
offering tax breaks and incentives for renewable energy and conservation efforts.

Will these tax breaks and incentives be offered to oil companies? They are among the largest producers of renewable energy. If Pelosi would read the Energy Bill of 2005 she would find that much of what she is wanting has already been done. All she wants to do is raise 'sin taxes' on oil companies anyway.
36 posted on 08/04/2007 2:22:03 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: ducdriver

Not to mention every 401K that invests in the oil companies. Its a new tax on citizens at the pump and in their retirement plans. Thanks Nancy, who are on well crafted POS.


37 posted on 08/04/2007 2:28:31 PM PDT by eyedigress
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on = one


38 posted on 08/04/2007 2:29:32 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Nathan Zachary; tbpiper
How about the children's milk going to $10.00/gal because all the corn is going to ethanol?"

That's about as ridiculous a statement as Pelosi's.

Milk doesn't come from corn.

I think he's refering to the costs that are involved with production and the distribution of milk, which certainly would rise if fuel costs rise.

39 posted on 08/04/2007 2:31:03 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Do milk cows get substanence from corn?


40 posted on 08/04/2007 2:33:38 PM PDT by eyedigress
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