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Comet Theory Collides With Clovis Research, May Explain Disappearance of Ancient People
University of South Carolina(USC News) ^ | June 28, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 08/03/2007 11:29:34 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake

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To: ForGod'sSake
Don’t despair, FGS. I’m convinced only a tiny minority of radical nutjobs really want to roll civilization back to the pre-industrial era when life truly was “nasty, brutish and short.” If the greenies ever manage to artificially restrict the oil supply to where the average person can’t buy the gas they need for everyday life, you’ll see a rebellion against them like you haven’t seen lately. Kinda like 1968 when they went too far with the “Great Society” welfare state or 1980 when they were surrendering to our enemies. Like the Gipper said, the truth is a stubborn thing.
81 posted on 08/05/2007 9:10:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Coyoteman
Conservatives are surly curmudgeons who prefer to be left alone.
That's crazy, and, just for that, I'm gonna sit over there. ;')
82 posted on 08/05/2007 9:19:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ForGod'sSake

The idea came from someone here in Michigan, but they’ve since had a falling out (even before the book). The idea has been developed into a series of bombardments by different kinds of crud, which arrive at different times because of their mass and velocity — but all of it coming from a sort of nearby star blowing up. The idea of mass extinction events coming from novae and supernovae isn’t new, there was a book by some other guy maybe ten years ago. I think I’ve got something about that on the drive...


83 posted on 08/05/2007 9:29:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: colorado tanker
Kinda like 1968 when they went too far with the "Great Society" welfare state or 1980 when they were surrendering to our enemies.
I'd probably quibble with that -- 1968 marked the rehabilitation of Nixon and repudiation of LBJ's idiotic mismanagement of a war he got us into; it represented the revulsion felt by much of America toward the mayhem going on at the various campuses and inner cities. The welfare state wasn't dismantled, SALT II got started instead, and Apollo abandoned. But yeah, I'd agree that 1980 was a repudiation of withdrawal, surrender, and appeasement -- and gross incompetence -- of the Carter wing of the Dhimmicratic Party. IMHO.
84 posted on 08/05/2007 9:34:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

The idea of an impact event at the beginning of the Holocene has been around for awhile. If they are finding Iridium at Clovis sites this may pinpoint the time and the reason for the Younger Dryas, which was world wide and should be able to be confirmed from sites out side of North America.


85 posted on 08/05/2007 9:44:31 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Coyoteman
We treat people as individuals, and make herds of cats look organized.

Heh.

86 posted on 08/05/2007 10:19:11 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: colorado tanker
Like the Gipper said, the truth is a stubborn thing.

Mark Twain Corollary: A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

I liken the relationship of leftists towards society as something akin to adolescents vs parents. Sortof a love/hate thing. They don't really know what they want, they're just rebellious because that's the nature of pre-adults. Irresistable force meets immovable object? A little growing up would do them, and us, a world of good.

87 posted on 08/05/2007 10:36:53 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The idea of mass extinction events coming from novae and supernovae isn’t new, there was a book by some other guy maybe ten years ago.

Firestone presumably had the goods to back it up, no?

88 posted on 08/05/2007 10:39:14 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

There is supporting data in the form of ET particles embedded in mammoth ivory and such.


89 posted on 08/05/2007 10:46:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ForGod'sSake

The ice man found on the border of austria/italy, now known to be a murder victim. Now this : forensic archeology...


90 posted on 08/05/2007 10:49:36 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: ForGod'sSake

The problem as I see it, with conservatives resisting, is that conservatives are generally people who simply want to go about their lives. As long as government leaves them alone, they’re content. They work hard and keep their noses to the grind stone.

What we have here is the old (hate to use it again) frog in the boiling pot syndrome. Government creep is so incremental yet peristant that they don’t seem to notice for the most part.

Today people are just busy busy busy. And that’s the way the government likes it.

IMO college kids and the under employed are those who have a lot of time to participate in driving the environmental whack-job nonsense. Their professors and those who fancy themselves “the protectors” are also a major driving force. There’s a lot of young and middle-aged people who were looking for a cause out of college, and they were either active in college or came into contact with someone who was.

It’s amazing to me how many conservatives actually think there is major cause for concern regarding the environment though. It’s sortof like turning your back on Bambie. You know it’s only make believe, but boy wouldn’t it be bad IF it were real. Can’t have that...


91 posted on 08/06/2007 8:17:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I'd probably quibble with that -- 1968 marked the rehabilitation of Nixon and repudiation of LBJ's idiotic mismanagement of a war he got us into; it represented the revulsion felt by much of America toward the mayhem going on at the various campuses and inner cities. The welfare state wasn't dismantled, SALT II got started instead, and Apollo abandoned.

I agree, all that contributed to Nixon's election. I do think his election was a repudiation of the Great Society as well, but also have to agree Nixon did almost nothing to dismantle it. If anything, he reinforced it and made things worse with economic bungles like price controls. While he viewed himself as a conservative, he seemed to have an incoherent philosophy of government.

92 posted on 08/06/2007 8:57:00 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: DoughtyOne
Today people are just busy busy busy. And that’s the way the government likes it.

In fact, probably encourages same. From Wikipedia:

"Bread and circuses" has come to be a derogatory phrase that can criticize either government policies to pacify the citizenry, or the shallow, decadent desires of that same citizenry. In both cases, it refers to low-cost, low-quality, high-availability food and entertainment that have become the sole concern of the People, to the exclusion of matters that the speaker considers more important: e.g. the Arts, public works projects, human rights, or democracy itself. The phrase is commonly used to refer to short-term government palliatives offered in place of a solution for significant, long-term problems.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

93 posted on 08/06/2007 9:40:29 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: colorado tanker

Nixon was a New Deal liberal of a sort; when asked by David Frost about his intellectual role models or whatever, included Adlai Stevenson in his list. Pat Buchanan claimed that Nixon gave a thumbs-down sign when asked by PB what the long term prospects for Israel were — and yet Nixon ordered “anything that will fly” to airlift crucial supplies, and at least once (just to show off) a whole tank. The US out-airlifted the USSR during the 1973 war, despite having to fly much farther and (mostly) over open ocean.

OPECs reaction to US support for Israel — and the terrible defeat of pan-Arab pan-Moslem forces — was to quadruple and even quintuple the price of crude. The resulting worldwide economic cratering took years to recover from. Nixon’s “phases” and Ford’s “Whip Inflation Now” were symbolic rather than substantive.

And the inflation from the embargo until Ford left office in 1977 were the Good Ol’ Days compared with the disaster of Jimmy Carter’s administration, with the 20 per cent interest rate peak, his “moral equivalent of war” energy speech, in which he set heavy crude exploitation and gasoline rationing as needed goals.

And then the Iranians seized the hostages.

Nixon’s foreign policy was carried out skillfully, and largely consisted of cleaning up LBJ’s mess. His trip to China was a master stroke. Detente with the USSR helped pave the way for the downfall of the it. Nixon’s China policy will eventually lead to the same end for the PRC.

Nixon wasn’t incoherent, merely eccentric and pragmatic (nothing is more eccentric than a pragmatic eccentric). :’)


94 posted on 08/06/2007 10:11:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Nixon’s foreign policy was carried out skillfully, and largely consisted of cleaning up LBJ’s mess. His trip to China was a master stroke. Detente with the USSR helped pave the way for the downfall of the it. Nixon’s China policy will eventually lead to the same end for the PRC.

Agreed. Foreign policy was where Nixon excelled.

Nixon stood by Israel, although he always had a problem with Jews and Ivy Leaguers. The Arabs failed to appreciate Nixon and Kissinger engineered the outcome of the 1973 war by persuading Israel to stop short of defeating the Egyptian army, which left Sadat with a colorable claim to have done better than any Arab army against Israel, which gave him the maneuver room to cut a peace deal for Sinai. Sadat was way ahead of the others, who were still stuck on the three no's. Sadat was also savvy enough to flip to the U.S. side, long before it became apparent to the rest of the world we would best the Sov's.

They could have gotten inflation under control much sooner had they recognized it's a monetary problem, but that didn't happen until hard money Paul Volker was appointed.

I served in the Carter military and it was just plain awful. We were short of people and money and our equipment was falling apart. Carter had even less economic sense than his predecessors with his energy regulation policies making matters worse.

Still, I give Carter credit for two things: there was a modest increase for defense in his last budget (although nothing like Reagan was to do) and he appointed Volker, which along with the Iranian hostage crisis and Ted Kennedy's primary challenge insured his doom in 1980. But those two things just save him from my vote for all time worst President. All in all Jimmuh was a dreadful President.

95 posted on 08/06/2007 10:35:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: colorado tanker
Nixon and Kissinger engineered the outcome of the 1973 war by persuading Israel to stop short of defeating the Egyptian army, which left Sadat with a colorable claim to have done better than any Arab army against Israel, which gave him the maneuver room to cut a peace deal for Sinai. Sadat was way ahead of the others, who were still stuck on the three no's. Sadat was also savvy enough to flip to the U.S. side, long before it became apparent to the rest of the world we would best the Sov's.
It's interesting that Sadat was the mastermind of this; he was covertly talking directly with Kissinger, and yet without K's knowledge planned the '73 war carefully to achieve limited objectives, namely establishing Egyptian control of just a few miles of the western Sinai, thus the entire Suez Canal. Despite massive superiority, Egypt stopped at a prearranged point, within the anti-aircraft missile umbrella, and wouldn't move the umbrella forward over the canal. The plan almost went under when Israel managed to launch the counterattack, build a bridgehead, and cross over into Africa.

Meanwhile, the Syrians, who had been unaware of Sadat's actual goal (flipping the script), wavered despite massive superiority; failure to fully break out despite their own SAM umbrella (which negated Israel's tactic of knocking out tanks from the air) and almost 1400 tanks was pretty foolish, or maybe just chicken. The skeleton of Israel's tank brigades fought with a desperate fury, and that may have been all that saved Israel long enough for the reserves (and US airlifts) to arrive.

Syria's post-1973 drive to annex Lebanon (in fact if not in name) went on almost 30 years, while Sadat wound up kicking out the Russians, ending the Egyptian imperialist ambitions in the Negev, negotiating a peace treaty with Israel, and ultimately getting assassinated.

Kissinger, at the outbreak of the 1973 war, is said to have remarked, of Israel, that it would do them good to be "bloodied."
96 posted on 08/06/2007 10:51:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Well, I guess I'm just an awful thread hijacker.

but the worst would-be hijackers in history are still...
Thread Hijackers

97 posted on 08/06/2007 11:00:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: colorado tanker

Back in 1981 or so, I got started watching the PBS Nightly Business Report. Paul Kangas referred to Henry Kaufman as “Doctor Doom”, and referred to Paul Volcker as “Tall Paul”. :’) Alan Greenspan went directly from (among other things) a weekly commentary gig on NBR to being Fed chairman. IMHO, AG was one of the most significant figures of the late 20th century.


98 posted on 08/06/2007 11:03:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
The plan almost went under when Israel managed to launch the counterattack, build a bridgehead, and cross over into Africa.

True, the IDF could have cut off Egypt's forces in Sinai, defeated the supporting units on the Africa side and marched on Cairo, had they wanted. Nixon's strong support for Israel gave him the credibility and influence to persuade them to stop.

Syria came close, IMHO. The tank battles on the northern front are some of the most amazing ever - the Israelis defeated incredible odds, tank to tank. And we studied those battles in the 1970's as a blueprint how we might defeat a Soviet "breakthrough" attack in Germany.

Sadat was a brilliant man, achieving all Egypt's goals, for which he was murdered. The Assad dynasty stayed on the throne, but got 30+ years of frustration.

99 posted on 08/06/2007 11:14:40 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: SunkenCiv
IMHO, AG was one of the most significant figures of the late 20th century.

Yes. Now, if he could just explain to the rest of us how he did it? :-))

100 posted on 08/06/2007 11:18:51 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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