How Psychiatry Makes "Patients" of Normal Children

press release | 06/22/07 | Fred Baughman, MD

[AFPhys]

Makes “Patients” of Normal Children, Marylander wrote:
Psyhciatric diagnosis has always been a tool used to control political enemies. What is hard to believe is that anyone would use a political tool against children. But not all children are the targets.

I taught courses on this subject in the 70s. One of the diagnositc criteria was that the child is not a minority. The reason? because minority status is already a negative label and they don’t need another negatvie label.
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This is a very scary thread. Thank all of you who participated in this ADD/ ADHD discussion. I’m now completely comfortable that if I’m ever asked for advice about this, or get assaulted by the school system about this in any way, that I’ll just be saying “NO!!!”

There are some seriously criminal charges that should be considered here for the way the educational system is damaging America’s children.

Thanks again.

[tutstar]

Another valuable resource is www.breggin.com

[Kozak]

I’m not talking about ADD or ADHD.

I’m talking about Schizophrenia and Bipolar Affective Disorder. If you had READ my original post you would have noticed I also am skeptical about ADD or ADHD.

And by the way smart guy, how do you think pain medication is managed? Duh. Emperically, as there is NO PARAMETER OR TEST FOR PAIN. I guess that means it doesn’t exist huh?

[cinives]

Any psychiatric diagnosis is a behavioral diagnosis. It’s a person with “abnormal” behavior, meaning the person doesn’t behave like the rest of society.

There are no physical tests for these diagnoses, like there are for, say, epilepsy and brain tumors.

The history of psychiatry reads like a history in behavioral control. It should scare most people silly.

[Spyder]

Are you a scientologist? If not you should consider it. They’d be a perfect fit for you!

[cinives]

If you have 5 doctors prescribing Ritalin and you as a parent just say no on principle, then you should be liable for "medical abuse." If you can't find one or two other doctors SOMEWHERE to support you, then you've got no leg to stand on, folks, no matter how wrong it is to prescribe this stuff to kids, or how right you are or how well we all got along without it in the past.

That's what my post was referencing - re your post #37.

Need more help ?

[cinives]

Uh huh - so anyone who is a consultant gets tainted by association with any of their clients, even if they don’t ascribe to all the aims of the organization ? Most consultants, lawyers, accountants and so on would have a hard time staying in business by your standards.

Baughmann’s not a shill for scientology; he speaks out against psychiatric abuse.

You clearly have a problem distinguishing the difference.

[cinives]

The concept of a cure as such remains controversial, as there is no consensus on the definition, although some criteria for the remission of symptoms have recently been suggested.[94] The effectiveness of schizophrenia treatment is often assessed using standardized methods, one of the most common being the positive and negative syndrome scale (PANSS).

Did you neglect to read this ? There is no consensus on a definition ?

Gee, now we're back to behavioral analysis to determine schizophrenia.

Busted...again...

[cinives]

OK, dear, name one.

Let’s test your credibility. Easy to assert, harder to prove.

[cinives]

Now there’s a post that adds insight to this thread.

[Cogadh na Sith]

The history of psychiatry reads like a history in behavioral control. It should scare most people silly.

That's a Scientology talking point.

You're busted, Clam!

[cinives]

Pain is not characterized as a disease or a disorder. Duh. It’s a symptom of an underlying physical problem.

I’m talking about EVERY psychiatric diagnosis. They are all behavioral diagnoses, not physical.

[cinives]

You like behavioral control thru drugs - so did Stalin, Hitler, and some experiments performed by our government in prior years.

If that’s the company you like to keep, then just say so.

And no, I’m not a Scientologist, nor will I ever be. I just believe in individualism and self-control.

I use facts and debate to make my points. You use emotions.

[SoftballMominVA]

I just believe in individualism and self-control.

So are you saying that you believe that all mental illnesses can be cured/prevented/controlled by individualism and/or self-control?

[the OlLine Rebel]

I agree with you. But alot of teacher-bashing goes on without recognizing that often, parents DO want excuses for kids they DID indeed never bother to discipline. Both “parents” and “teachers” are human, often are the same thing, and are products of the same society.

Believe me, I am aware of how teachers/admin can make life hell for a kid - my nephew was 1 (although he IS “special” - but certainly not a “fidgety” type - more like a slug at school). I am aware how many just want to “make it stop” and put labels on them and hope for an easy fix. But part of the blame has to be put on parents. Not (nearly) all the kids are ADD, and parents likewise have to own up to that.

Of course, your teacher sounds a bit psycho. Which is a bit beyond the norm for most.

[Kozak]

So are you stating that Schizophrenia and Bipolar Affective Disorder don’t exist as diseases?

[mysterio]

Did you neglect to read this ? There is no consensus on a definition ?

That's odd. There seems to be a pretty good consensus of the definition of it on the net. link

Gee, now we're back to behavioral analysis to determine schizophrenia.

50 years ago we were tossing schizophrenics away and leaving them there. The science of it is still developing, but developing rapidly. You can't honestly be arguing that schizophrenia isn't a disease with a physical cause, can you?

Busted...again...

I'm afraid not.

[mysterio]

Name one what? A psychiatric disorder with a phisical cause? Ok. Schizophrenia. OCD. Bipolar disorder.

My goodness, I really am talking to Tom Cruise here, aren't I? You were amazing in Interview With the Vampire, but perhaps you should do a bit more research before attempting to assume the role of clinical psychiatrist.

[cinives]

Primarily, yes, as well as a change in environment and circumstance. The most effective therapy I know of is one that helps a person to either adjust to their environment, finds rational solutions that are supportive of the individual, or change the environment such that the person is more comfortable and secure in that environment. That should not involve any involuntary treatment of any kind.

You would find Peter Breggin’s books to be very interesting reading on the subject.

Depression, for example ? Most often caused by circumstances and state of mind. If you are a pessimistic thinker, you will have more perceived problems than an optimist will. An interesting read: http://clearinghouse.missouriwestern.edu/manuscripts/155.asp

And, you can control which type you are, if you so choose.

An anecdotal account:
A neighbor of mine, a total pessimist, was diagnosed with depression a short time after her husband lost his job, had been out of work for a few months, their credit was maxed out, and their twin boys were going to have to leave college because there was no money to pay for the next semester. She was put on drugs - wellbutrin to be exact. After 9 months on the drugs she decided she didn’t like how they made her feel; they gave her a very flat affect and she felt like her days just went by with no highs or lows. She quit the drugs, her husband found a new and better job, the boys remained in school, and there was no more talk of depression. Clearly, it was her circumstances and her thoughts about it that caused her problem.

Yes, I know she wasn’t a hard case, but there are millions just like her out there who are given drugs instead of coping skills.

[cinives]

You can’t read, can you ? Did you miss my post #128 ?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

It’s you who need to do the research. Reading the link you posted, from top to bottom, would help. You disprove your own assertions.