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To: AndyTheBear
Have you noticed that the vast majority of the one particular universe we have observed does not contain observers?

I've only observed that we haven't observed other observers.

323 posted on 08/01/2007 3:49:06 PM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: null and void
I've only observed that we haven't observed other observers.

I'm not asserting that there aren't some other observers out there, rather that if you take any typical quantitative form of measurering the universe, such as "mass" or "volume", then the ratio of observer to universe is so small that it would suggest observers are a fluke. Incidentally, this led to the consideration of how to quantify an observer in such terms, which led to my thoughts about what an observer really is.

I think I just spotted a strong hint as to why we thought about observer frequency differently:

...then who would be the only ones to be viewing "miraculous" conditions that allow them to survive?

You seem to hold as common to all universes that "survival of the fittest" will always successfully produce observers. Presumably under any laws of physics. Was this an intentional priori?

340 posted on 08/01/2007 4:37:15 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: null and void
My bad, I accidentally put Gondring’s words in your mouth.
341 posted on 08/01/2007 4:39:37 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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