Posted on 07/27/2007 11:39:43 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego school that drew international attention for setting aside time for Muslim students to pray in the classroom will no longer do so, it was reported Friday.
Instead, Carver Elementary's schedule will be reconfigured so students can say their required midday prayers during lunch. Courts have long upheld students' rights to pray on their own during lunch or recess, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.
When the new school year begins, Carver will have two lunch periods, including one that will fall when Muslims typically say their midday prayer -- between 1 and 2 p.m., the newspaper reported.
Another controversial element of Carver's educational program geared toward Muslim students -- single-gender classes -- will be eliminated, the Union-Tribune reported.
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Changing their entire schedule to accomodate "prayer" time for these cultists is only marginally less insane than setting aside classroom time.
Exactly!
What will the Muslims be doing during the first lunch break, between 12 and 1, eating their regular lunch, and then will have the same time off for prayer, only disguised as their lunch period..
What will the Muslims be doing during the first lunch break, between 12 and 1, eating their regular lunch, and then will have the same time off for prayer, only disguised as their lunch period..
I just love when a light is shined on these cockroaches. It is so much fun to watch them run.
“Maybe we can allow the Christians to have a prayer and mention God in the classroom and a graduation.”
You can already do that in class, but you have to do it silently. I’m not sure why we need praying out loud in class.
Hmmm...when I was in school they had rotating lunch periods (no prayer though). In elementary school it was stratified by grade — in middle and high school it was stratified by course. Hmm...unless they’re planning to stratify Muslim students somehow (by grade and/or course), I don’t see how all the kids don’t get 2 hours off for lunch...
Unless the other hour is something like art or music, where you would mix students of possibly different grade levels in one class...then send them back to their regular class at 2 p.m.
“not if you are a Christian they haven’t.
This is one of the most absurd statements I’ve read. The courts have been adamant in their ‘no Christianity at school’ stance, on par with Nero or the Inquisition.”
You’re completely wrong. Even the SC has ruled that students are allowed to gather and pray during personal time, such as lunches. In fact, the dreaded ACLU supported the ruling.
I've never heard of a court prohibiting a Christian from praying on their own during lunch or recess. ??
Here’s a description if what IS allowed:
“Prayer in School - Prayer During Non-instructional Time
Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious speech in applying such rules and restrictions.”
In addition, students can particpate in religious clubs and prayer at the pole before school. Moments of silence are also allowed.
On the other hand I wonder what action would be taken of a child that adheres to Islam if the wore a chadar (farsie) or head scarf or had a koran in their little fist. This does’t even address the foot bath question.
Wait till the schools force Ramadan on everyone. Think of the money saved on school lunches!
I have no malicious reason for this, no conspiracy, in truth, I am utterly baffled by it. I do not understand the Liberal rush to condemn Christianity and extol and abet Islam. I just know?
Liberals claim that part of the public school experience is learning how to interact in society. All they are teaching the Muslims with their pandering is that Muslims are different and should be afforded special consideration from American society. This is the exact message they claim to want to suppress.
And as usual Liberals almost always do more harm than good with their 'do-gooder' nonsense which will be borne out when one of these Muslim students demands special time off during the day and special shifts and special hours from his employer when he goes to work in the non-academic real world.
Odd there is one important matter missing here. There is no mention that the school had also banned pork in its cafeteria. Wonder if they changed that or not does anyone know? Or was that perhaps a rumor that was untrue?
http://www.gopunditgo.com/?p=1013
“You can already do that [pray] in class, but you have to do it silently. I’m not sure why we need praying out loud in class.”
Not so. The ‘moment of silence,’ which was considered a good compromise when the ACLU first went on the warpath, has long since been ruled ‘unconstitutional.’ A moment to reflect on your day, your goals, your God, could not be bad for anyone. And I don’t think it’s possible to pray while you are trying to participate in a class or are busily getting from one to another. But even THIS was too much for ACLU.
They certainly have changed their tune! And why? Because Mohammedans are the ‘minority.’ For them, religious rights are inviolable.
Feh.
You always get it just right!
Score one for common sense!”
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Yep, common sense seems to be a rare commodity in these times.
Ping.
“Not so. The ‘moment of silence,’ which was considered a good compromise when the ACLU first went on the warpath, has long since been ruled ‘unconstitutional.”
Please show me where the moment of silence has been declared unconstitutional. It’s certainly legal in Virginia.
You are absolutely wrong, and it’s so bad for conservatives when folks get things so completely wrong.
“Of course having a Bible in their possession is out of the question.”
I hate to burst your bubble, but there’s absolutely no question whatsoever that a child is allowed to have a Bible. The child cannot read it during regular class, which I would expect of any book. Exactly where did you get your information?
I hate to burst your bubble, but there’s absolutely no question whatsoever that a child is allowed to have a Bible. The child cannot read it during regular class, which I would expect of any book. Exactly where did you get your information?
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Oh no! I do not fall into your little trap. You see, you are demanding that I provide you with the source of my information. Right? I notice that none of your information is sourced. I think it behooves YOU to provide the information from all the schools in the USA that substantiates your verbiage and those that do not. I am sure this may take you a while, in the main time I will inspect my bubble more closely as a cursory check seemed to indicate it is in an OK condition.,
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