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Is Fred Thompson the GOP's Savior? (Time Magazine Cover)
Time.com ^ | 7/26/7 | Davis Yellen

Posted on 07/26/2007 7:21:34 AM PDT by hardback

Many Republican faithful, from the grass roots to the Capitol, have concluded that Fred Thompson, the preternaturally avuncular actor and former Senator from Tennessee, is the cure-all for their party's ills.

Thompson has yet to enter the presidential race, and yet Thompson already shares front-runner status with former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani in some national polls of gop voters.

Thompson will spend the rest of the summer raising money, which he was scheduled to do conspicuously at a donor event in Washington on July 28. Another advantage to waiting: the longer he remains an unofficial candidate, the longer NBC can air reruns of Law & Order featuring Thompson as Manhattan DA Arthur Branch without running afoul of the equal-time provision of federal campaign law.

"His timing has been brilliant so far," insists Tennessee Congressman Zach Wamp, who led the effort to convince Thompson he should run. "While he's been waiting, some candidates have been falling and the others haven't been moving. Frankly, there's been a lot of advantages to [it]. He's probably gotten more attention not being a candidate than he would have being a candidate."

While Thompson's undeclared campaign , raises money and figures out how to live up to the hype surrounding his candidacy, his potential opponents are busy adjusting to the new dynamics of the race.

The problem for Giuliani—and the rest of the field—is that Thompson has the same strategy, and the Tennessean's Southern drawl and conservative voting record are likely to play well in South Carolina.

If Thompson can keep enthusiasm high until he enters the race in the fall, he might be able to turn what was supposed to be a marathon race for the nomination into a relatively brief, four-month sprint.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fred; fredheads; frednecks; fredthompson; hunterites; johnmccain; juanmccainez; mittheads; paulbearers; paulestinians; rfr; rootitooties; rudymcromney; runfredrun
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To: Hostage

I was going to add “in the last 100 yr or so” but went with the much shorter “tend”.


181 posted on 07/26/2007 4:25:00 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: MBB1984

I think you might well consider giving up drinking altogether. Well, water might be OK.


182 posted on 07/26/2007 4:57:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: maine-iac7
Idiot.
One need not be a Muslim to apologize for them. Look up Dhimmitude.

Spencer sees himself as an Arab and thus defends Arab Muslims from profiling or responsibility for fundraising for Hezbollah.

183 posted on 07/26/2007 8:24:22 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: RockinRight

Clinton lover...


184 posted on 07/26/2007 8:50:17 PM PDT by WannabeTurk (chinagatethemovie.com)
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To: hardback

Run, Fred, Run

http://www.imwithfred.com


185 posted on 07/27/2007 6:57:01 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Run Fred, Run http://www.imwithfred.com/)
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To: gunservative

Fred Thompson believes strongly in term limits, maybe he will push to enforce term limits.


186 posted on 07/27/2007 7:05:33 AM PDT by RatsDawg
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To: goldstategop

I often wonder how the so-called Duncan Hunter supporters have any time left to actually support their candidate, seeing as how they spend more time on the Fred threads trying to tear Thompson down.

Perhaps that’s why Hunter has been stuck at under 2% forever...


187 posted on 07/27/2007 7:17:05 AM PDT by Josh Painter ( "This is our home and we get to decide who gets to come into our home." - Fred)
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To: WannabeTurk

Yawn.

“Never has the Senate convicted on an article worded such as this. Several crimes or categories of crimes (the exact number cannot be determined from reading the article) are charged in this one article. The perjurious statements are not described, nor are their dates. In large part, this article charges that the President committed perjury because he denied prior perjury. At the outset, it is clear that a count such as this in an indictment would not survive court challenge...” - Fred Thompson on the Perjury article of impeachment against Bill Clinton

http://www.australianpolitics.com/usa/clinton/trial/statements/thompson.shtml


188 posted on 07/27/2007 7:24:42 AM PDT by Josh Painter ( "This is our home and we get to decide who gets to come into our home." - Fred)
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To: WannabeTurk

WannabeTurk wrote: “Just as I thought, y’all are all hat, no cattle.”

That’s what Molly Ivans said about George W. Bush.

Just as I thought. You’re a liberal-quoting liberal. LOL!


189 posted on 07/27/2007 7:29:51 AM PDT by Josh Painter ( "This is our home and we get to decide who gets to come into our home." - Fred)
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To: WannabeTurk

WannabeTurk wrote: “Just as I thought, y’all are all hat, no cattle.”

That’s what Molly Ivans said about George W. Bush.

Just as I thought. You’re a liberal-quoting liberal. LOL!


190 posted on 07/27/2007 7:29:59 AM PDT by Josh Painter ( "This is our home and we get to decide who gets to come into our home." - Fred)
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To: Sturm Ruger

You read Molly Ivans? Geesh...


191 posted on 07/27/2007 7:39:33 AM PDT by WannabeTurk (chinagatethemovie.com)
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To: WOSG

Romney is running at least as conservative as Fred is...


Clearly, but for conservative voters, the question is now how conservative one can pretend to be, but how conservative one actually IS.


192 posted on 07/27/2007 8:11:09 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: WOSG; Man50D
[Thompson's] drawl and conservative voting record are likely to play well in South Carolina.

RINO Richard Parsons, CEO of Time-Warner, papers over liberal aspects of Thompson's record to declare Thompson conservative to anyone who will listen. Parsons ignores Abraham, who seems to serve as an OBL inoculation allowing fashion conscious RINOs to keep plenty of psychological distance between themselves and the supposed unchecked anger of wall building racist right wing rabble.

193 posted on 07/27/2007 8:43:50 AM PDT by Milhous (There are only two ways of telling the complete truth: anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: WOSG
your numbers are biased

Of course. Most of those figures reflect my opinion only. As I said, any person can do that calculation for themselves, and I think any rational assessment has Fred on top.

so you just end up with a convoluted formula to validate your bias.

I may get a result you do not agree with, but the formula is rather basic. It isn't convolunted, just my cockamammie opinion ratings are. ;^)

Duncan has been in office since 1980. Guliani has never held elected Federal office.

True, but Rudy's small fiefdom has more people than several states, and he governed during an incredible crisis that no others have faced. That was my rationale. Hunter has been in office for a long time, but had not made the national stage until this run.

=> EXPERIENCE: Hunter 85, McCain 85, Romney 85 (gubernatorial exp. trumps Senate time) Guliani 75, Fred 75

And let's use your numbers to make a new tally, shall we?

==> TELEGENIC PRESENCE: Romney has aced every debate, debates where Guliani and McCain did poorly, and should definitely be well above Guliani and McCain... Romney 90, Fred 85, Hunter 75, McCain 70, Guliani 75”

I forgot about those debates. He did do very well, but debates aren't the entire body of telegenic presence. I should bump him up a few points, though.

“CONSERVATIVE RATINGS: Hunter 96, Fred 92, Romney 73, McCain 67, Guiliani 58” ??? Romney is running at least as conservative as Fred is, and governed pretty conservatively for a blue-state governor. His rating should be higher. Guliani should be lower.

Okay, let's use: “CONSERVATIVE RATINGS: Hunter 96, Fred 84, Romney 90, McCain 67, Guiliani 58”, and I think that's highly underestimating Fred.

ELECTABILITY: Polls show Guliani no longer much ahead of other GOP candidates like Romney. McCain is completely unelectable due to Iraq/immigration double hex. Guliani 85, Fred 85, Romney 75, Hunter 70, McCain 50.

M'kay

“MONEY (est): Guiliani 20, McCain 20, Hunter 15, Romney 10, Fred 5” Doh! you have it bakwards! Romney is on top on fund-raising - number one with over $30 million raised - and McCain is *broke*!! And Fred is doing amazing pre-announcement fundraising ...MONEY: Guiliani 20, Romney 20, Fred 15, Hunter 10, McCain 5

Okay

So you got all your numbers wrong - result- Garbage in, garbage out ... should look more like: 375 Romney 337 Hunter 335 Fred 313 McCain 282 Guliani

No, using your very own numbers, we now get:

372 Fred
360 Mitt
337 Hunter
310 Rudy
273 McCain

Again, with a fair and rational assessment Fred is still on top... and that's with severely overestimating Mitt's electability ("President Mitt?? and a Mormon?? No, but thanks" says the mushy middle), and underestimating Fred's conservative ratings (maybe you chose diffferent groups' ratings than I did)

194 posted on 07/27/2007 9:09:37 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: WannabeTurk
Just as I thought, y’all are all hat, no cattle.
Because YOU won't search something someone else is to blame? Sounds like "progressive logic".
195 posted on 07/27/2007 1:45:47 PM PDT by FlashBack (WoundedWarriorProject.Org)
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To: Teacher317

“372 Fred
360 Mitt
337 Hunter ...”

okay, I can go with these but I still the exercise as numerizing subjective viewpoint. Here’s how we should evaluate a future president:
1) Character
2) Competence
3) Vision & convictions/platform

I won’t dare put numbers on these categories, but food for thought.

As for “underestimating Fred’s conservative ratings”, I think if anything he’s been overestimated in his conservativeness by freepers. His votes were not much different from McCain, and he wasn’t an out-in-front conservative on too many issues during his senate career.


196 posted on 07/27/2007 3:43:05 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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