Posted on 07/24/2007 9:12:40 PM PDT by Salem
Pastor Hagee is a great man.
I think he is a right on Preacher”. I know of no one on the planet who is sinless, do You? I have checked out everything Pastor Hagee has preached and indeed it is biblical, for those on the list who don’t think so. Some writers who wish to be critical of him take much of what he says and spin it for their own use, trying to be contrarians. God indeed made a covenant with Abraham and that was for all times both past, present and future. A covenant is never to be broken . Pastor Hagee knows that and that is the salvation of the Jews. The New Covenant that is in the New Testament of the Bible was a covenant between God and the Gentiles, it also shores up the Old Covenant, it does not replace it, remember the Gentiles were pagans. The Jews already knew G-D but the pagans had no knowledge. Jesus came to save the unsaved. Jesus came to teach that each and every one could indeed have a relationship with God if they wanted it but not through laws and pointless sacrifices but through prayers, works, and deeds. As for Hagee wanting to send all the Jewish people back to Israel for an end times slaughter is ridiculous.. If anything it is for their salvation, and the salvation of Israel. Israel needs all the people (Jewish) it can accumulate in order to continue to have a force against the Terror network that is trying its’ hardest to eliminate the Jewish state in the Middle East.
In the end times, which no man knows the day nor the hour that it will come, it is then we will all know the real truth.
God made the covenant with Abraham and that is first and foremost and HE said,”I will Bless those who Bless Thee, and I shall curse those who curse thee” Why would God not save them now?
First, we need to get the other 99.9% of his brain to operate.
IF, we are successful with that, we can try to insert a brand new spine. Then we try and open his eyes so he can see.
If that all goes well, we can staple his manhood back on and replace his weak knees with titanium.
And last but not least, we do some skin graphs to cover his yeller belly.
I think that should do it. Did I miss anything? It may be out of order. If it were me, I would want my manhood stapled back on first.
That is a load of nonsense. He does not wish to usher in the end times nor send the Jewish people to their slaughter.
He wishes to help keep Israel a strong state in the middle east and what better way to do it but to increase the Jewish numbers through the Jews that were left behind the Iron Curtain. After the wall was taken down it became evident that it would be a good time to give the Jewish people who wanted to go to Israel a chance to go back to a land promised them by God himself. I would have gone had I been one of them. A homeland yes! Even if I had to spend my life fighting for it. You bet I would have gone!
In 1999, the last one of six trips I had made to Israel over the course of six years, I had seen many, many new apartment buildings in Israel that were standing empty. I asked the Airman (Lt.Elan Barkay) what were they for. Elan told me that those apartments were for their bretheran from Russia and eastern Europe, that they built those just for them so when they arrive they will have a place to live and also receive education and be enlisted into military service as well. I know Israel and I know that God has not forgotten HIS chosen people.
Hagee quote in his book:
“Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can’t be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity! . . . there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
Check your Bible with that quote yourself. You won’t find anything remotely like it in the Bible.
Hagee and other modern day “prophets” believe we’re in the “last days,” that Israel is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and that “Armageddon” is coming soon where 2/3 of Israel will be slaughtered. Read his books and I believe you’ll see that’s what he believes.
I have read all Hagees Books. But perhaps you misunderstand his writings. For one thing Hagee never claims to be a prophet modern day or otherwise. He is just relating things that are evident today and things that happened in the not to far gone past to that which is in The Book of Revelation and the other Books of the Prophets. I worked with several groups of Christian Messianic singers and songwriters back in the 90’s and we went to Israel 6 times and performed there. We went on the first trip in 94’ to do a concert for the one and only Messianic Church in all of Israel which was located near Natanya, by 99’ there were 34 Messianic Churches in Israel.I met very wonderful and godly men and women who are not Christians but who helped us in every way to proceed with our Messianic Ministry in Israel. I can hardly believe that they will be lost souls, I do believe that they are saved through Divine Election. There is also the fact that not all of Israel is Jewish in fact there are a great number of Arab and Arab Christians, nearly 50%, there as well. Less than 15% of the Jewish population are involved in their faith. Many Jews there do not attend Synagogue, most are rather secular. It is not like it was when Israel was born again back in 1948, when most Jews attended services and obeyed the laws. Then there is the fact in Revelation which John of Patmos wrote in Rev. 7: 1-4,of the 144,000 these are all Jews. Rev 14:1-5 God show John the vision and he saw: “ one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their fore-heads (verse 1). the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth (verse 3). the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins (verse 4) .their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God (verse 5).
My answer is they are the children of Israel and they are the special number of the living saints, who are virgins and without fault. They will see Jesus Second Advent alive.
Rev 7:9-17 mentions another group of living saints “a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues ” Verse 13 says, “Who are these arrayed with white robes, and where did they come form?” Verse 14 says, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.”
I believe these are “martyrs” who have special experience and have stood firm and was slain for the sake of preaching God’s Word throughout the ages, please refer to Rev 6:9-11 “ those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held (verse9). And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Rom 9:1-13”They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Divine Election)- God’s saving promises are made only to the true Israel; and Paul is declaring that these promises have never failed.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
“But perhaps you misunderstand his writings. For one thing Hagee never claims to be a prophet modern day or otherwise.”
I guess Hank Hanegraaff and my minister (Lon Solomon of McLean Bible) and many others also misunderstand his writings? They’ve all said the same thing about Hagee.
Here’s a quote from the spokesman for Hagee’s organization:
All activities of CUFI are strictly non-conversionary, Mr. Brog said. Christians who work with Jews in supporting Israel realize how sensitive we are in talking about conversion and talking about Jesus. So those who work with us tend not to talk about Jesus more, but talk about Jesus less. They realize it will interfere with what they are trying to dobuilding a bridge to the Jewish community to insure the survival of Judeo-Christian civilization.
I’m sorry, but that is clearly not biblical.
Mr. Brog said. Christians who work with Jews in supporting Israel realize how sensitive we are in talking about conversion and talking about Jesus. So those who work with us tend not to talk about Jesus more, but talk about Jesus less.
Pastor Hagee understands that we as Christians do not know how to prepare Jews for Salvation. There for Less is More!
Tens of thousands of Jews have turned to Jesus in recent years, and Messianic congregations are springing up all across America & Israel. Their fulfillment as Jews has come through the evangelistic efforts of ministries like Jews for Jesus, Friends of Israel, Ariel Ministries, and many others.
The key to success here has been JEWS witnessing to JEWS and emphasizing in the process that Jews do not have to renounce their Jewish heritage in order to accept Yeshua as their Savior. By contrast, ever since the Fourth Century the church has given Jews the impression that they must forsake their Jewishness and become Gentiles in order to be accepted as Christians.
I’m glad that more Jews are receiving Christ, thanks to, I believe, “Jews for Jesus.”
“Jews do not have to renounce their Jewish heritage in order to accept Yeshua as their Savior.”
I wonder what that means — the Bible makes it very clear where God stands on “Christ plus.”
Well basically that means that Old Testament and New incorporates all of What God intended for the Jewish People. Not just the New Testament. I am of Jewish Heritage and I would hate to think that because I am a Christian and do believe that Jesus was the Messiah as promised, that I would have to denounce my Jewish Heritage (Old Testament). I was both trained in the Torah as well as Christian doctrine and I realize that the Bible did not end at the end of the Old Testament and the New Testament is not the only book of the Bible either. The old testament prophets as you well know told of Jesus’ coming so without the old testament how would you or anyone have known of Jesus and his heritage (family), how would any of the pieces fit, so indeed the old Testament and New of course go hand in hand. Without the Old Testament Jesus would have been just another Rabbi. No one at all would have believed HE is the Son of God. Jews at that time truly believed that Messiah would have been a lot more powerful in a different way than HE showed while on earth. At the time of His coming Israel had been in deep trouble for a long time, and believed that their Messiah would be a G-D given King who would exhibit strength against the evil Roman Empire. Only those Jews who came to truly understand the writings of the Prophets of the Scriptures (Old Testament) came to understand Jesus and why HE came. Others were wrapped up in the politics of the time blinded themselves from Messiah (some things never change). My humble opinion of those Jews who understood Jesus also understood that they were not giving up being JEWS but were embracing Messiah as promised by G-D. That our Salvation, if one truly thinks about it, came from the Jews. Jesus was a zealous Jew.
“That our Salvation, if one truly thinks about it, came from the Jews.”
That part of what you said I certainly agree with — for example:
John 4:22: “You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.”
As far as Hagee’s theology, though, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
To that dear friend a big Amen!
God Bless Hagee!
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