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To: oswegodeee

Hagee quote in his book:

“Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can’t be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity! . . . there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”

Check your Bible with that quote yourself. You won’t find anything remotely like it in the Bible.

Hagee and other modern day “prophets” believe we’re in the “last days,” that Israel is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and that “Armageddon” is coming soon where 2/3 of Israel will be slaughtered. Read his books and I believe you’ll see that’s what he believes.


65 posted on 07/29/2007 4:41:50 AM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager

I have read all Hagees Books. But perhaps you misunderstand his writings. For one thing Hagee never claims to be a prophet modern day or otherwise. He is just relating things that are evident today and things that happened in the not to far gone past to that which is in The Book of Revelation and the other Books of the Prophets. I worked with several groups of Christian Messianic singers and songwriters back in the 90’s and we went to Israel 6 times and performed there. We went on the first trip in 94’ to do a concert for the one and only Messianic Church in all of Israel which was located near Natanya, by 99’ there were 34 Messianic Churches in Israel.I met very wonderful and godly men and women who are not Christians but who helped us in every way to proceed with our Messianic Ministry in Israel. I can hardly believe that they will be lost souls, I do believe that they are saved through Divine Election. There is also the fact that not all of Israel is Jewish in fact there are a great number of Arab and Arab Christians, nearly 50%, there as well. Less than 15% of the Jewish population are involved in their faith. Many Jews there do not attend Synagogue, most are rather secular. It is not like it was when Israel was born again back in 1948, when most Jews attended services and obeyed the laws. Then there is the fact in Revelation which John of Patmos wrote in Rev. 7: 1-4,of the 144,000 these are all Jews. Rev 14:1-5 God show John the vision and he saw: “…one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their fore-heads (verse 1).…the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth (verse 3).… the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins (verse 4)….their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God (verse 5).

My answer is they are the children of Israel and they are the special number of the living saints, who are virgins and without fault. They will see Jesus Second Advent alive.

Rev 7:9-17 mentions another group of living saints “a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues…” Verse 13 says, “Who are these arrayed with white robes, and where did they come form?” Verse 14 says, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.”

I believe these are “martyrs” who have special experience and have stood firm and was slain for the sake of preaching God’s Word throughout the ages, please refer to Rev 6:9-11 “…those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held (verse9). And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Rom 9:1-13”They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Divine Election)- God’s saving promises are made only to the true Israel; and Paul is declaring that these promises have never failed.


66 posted on 07/29/2007 9:22:12 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee)
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To: tabsternager
One more indication of Hagee’s statement:
The belief that God chose the Jews is based on the COVENANT between God and ABRAHAM (Gen. 15). The covenant was renewed on MOUNT SINAI; however, the nation’s divine election was made conditional on their observance of the TORAH (Deut. 7:6). ISRAEL is described in Exodus as a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exod. 19:6). According to the PROPHETS, the divine election of the people is based on righteousness. In the MISHNAH and TALMUD, the role of Israel as a teacher of all peoples is stressed. The Jewish idea of chosenness does not imply superiority, but rather the obligation to fulfill religious and moral duties. There are many Jews today who still adhere to those principals. There are many who do not. Thus the statement of the 2/3rd.
67 posted on 07/29/2007 9:46:07 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee)
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