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Should the DailyKos be Subject to the Federal Election Commission? [Hell no!!]
BC Magazine ^ | 7/23/07 | John Bambenek

Posted on 07/23/2007 6:30:32 PM PDT by indigo5

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To: PA-RIVER
Sometimes you need to exercise an unconstitutional law to force it out into the sunshine to kill it. If you don't, Citizens that obey the law are penalized, and those that don't are rewarded.
I respect that line of reasoning.
Once it is naked and on display in a court, the Sun will melt it down into a puddle on the floor. It will not stand. McCain - Feingold would fly in Russia or China, but not in the USA.
Yeah. But you gotta admit, people thought SCOTUS would rule sensibly in McConnell v. FEC. And look where that got us . . .

101 posted on 07/25/2007 6:06:35 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: MIT-Elephant

“Has everyone gone mad? This complaint is ridiculous. “

Actually, the complaint is legit, it’s the law and enabling FEC that are the problem. You actually need this lawsuit - so it can get thrown out.


102 posted on 07/25/2007 7:39:13 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: TonyRo76

While this is not related to political campaigns directly, here is something interesting. I was cruising in DUmmileland this morning and there is a story there stating that Bill Oreilly’s website in being investigated by the secret service for alleged threats against Hillary Clintoon. Sounds like either wishful thinking or a set up to me. Anyone else know anything about this?


103 posted on 07/25/2007 2:19:58 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: indigo5

Bad idea for any political site to be subject to the FEC because it will get every political site before they are through and bet you can take that to the bank.

I don’t like KOS but they have a right to exist. I have posted fundraising links on here in the past for people to follow the link. Guess someone lamebrain could consider that breaking the FEC rules.


104 posted on 07/25/2007 4:02:42 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"IMHO you make the case that DailyKos is explicitly in violation of the law as written, in a way that FreeRepublic is not. Nice work. But..."

More to the point, I would not argue that there should be such laws. IMHO the First Amendment means what it says. What is illuminating is that the DailyKos is not independent. FR is.
105 posted on 07/25/2007 9:01:38 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Thompson 2008!])
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Thank you.

I should have added that a majority of non communist SCJ’s would rule against restrictions of free speech, political and otherwise.

We do have a few communists on the supreme court.
The constitution is viewed as something that must be destroyed to Ginsburg and Bryer. It is a contract for insuring peoples freedoms, between the people and government, and in their view it must be undermined at every opportunity. The “Government” is god to them, and they view themselves as the priests. Contracts are meaningless to communists.

106 posted on 07/26/2007 4:07:54 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
. . . and I should have said that the "communists," as you put it, are down to 4 sure votes and one quite doubtful vote for McCain/McConnell v. FEC.
107 posted on 07/26/2007 5:10:43 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Im dealing with a “communist” in my personal life.

Rules are meaningless to these people. Never sign contracts with a “Progressive” or “Liberal”. The paper isn’t worth spit.


108 posted on 07/26/2007 6:16:10 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

*PING*


109 posted on 07/28/2007 9:06:36 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: BykrBayb
“I learned the answer to that one in elementary school. Public school, at that! We were introduced to an old document, known affectionately as The Bill of Rights. I didn’t understand all of it at the time, but that freedom of speech part was pretty clear.”

Mrs. (or Mr.) Whatshername would be proud of you. And I am NOT being sarcastic here. (I’m starting work as an elementary school teacher in about two weeks, in fact.)

Now for the trick question: how do you feel about the Second Amendment?

110 posted on 07/29/2007 8:52:58 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Beagle8U
“Sure, they’re different, take paid ads, a collection of morons,...

BUT, it has nothing to do with rules, right/wrong, paid ads, etc.

It has to do with controlling speech that someone doesn’t like and when that is the goal, there are plenty of liberals that would like FR shut down.

Its exactly the same as gun control, its not about guns its about control!

If they can regulate the KOS kool-aid kids they can regulate FReeRepublic and if you can regulate something you can ban it!

No tax, No regulation, No way!”

Well said. Despite the fact that I’d like to see Daily Kos shut down, I really, REALLY don’t want to see the Government do it... Market forces, yes. Goverment interference in free speech? He!! NO!

111 posted on 07/29/2007 8:59:39 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

“Sedition and treason are absolutely not free speech.

And while much may be considered parody/satire, any *bona fide* suborning or solicitation to murder/assassinate is not a conscionable exercise by the moral people to which the Constitution was intended to apply, nor should it be *tolerated*.”

Run that by Tom Jefferson, and see what he thinks about it, will ya?


112 posted on 07/29/2007 9:08:38 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student

I would submit that Jefferson’s famous directive about “watering the Tree of Liberty” is fairly representative of his likely answer.


113 posted on 07/29/2007 6:58:14 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Old Student
Now for the trick question: how do you feel about the Second Amendment?

I really don't want to sit here long enough to write the full novel that a question like that deserves. But I'll jot down a few thoughts that should give you the general idea.

I believe the Second Amendment means exactly what it says. I'm disgusted at the courts and legislators who have ignored its meaning, and infringed on our right to keep and bear arms. I'm disgusted at the politicians who claim that there should be "reasonable" restrictions on it. I'm disgusted with voters who agree with that.

I don't see what's so difficult about it. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

If you lose either the First or the Second Amendment, you lose the entire Bill of Rights. The People cannot defend any of their rights without both of those Amendments. I cherish the Constitution and all of its Amendments. Each one has its own unique value. They each protect different rights. These two protect not only the rights mentioned in them, but they protect each other, and all the other rights.

Constitutions of other nations tend to be rewritten or replaced from time to time. Ours has endured. I believe that's because of The People's ability to defend it. I see the First and Second Amendments as the two strongest tools we have for doing that.

114 posted on 07/30/2007 1:00:07 AM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: indigo5
NO! I don't agree with Daily Kos' politics but if they have to file with the FEC, then Jim Robinson will have to file with the FEC on behalf of Free Republic. WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO STAY THE HELL OUT OF OUR FORUM!!!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

115 posted on 07/30/2007 1:17:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sageb1
FR does not accept advertising, nor do we host the diaries of political candidates, although freepers can put what they want on their homepage. Slippery slope, though.

FReepers become very active during campaigns, and the Democrats will never forget how effective we can be:


116 posted on 07/30/2007 1:29:38 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: BykrBayb

“I really don’t want to sit here long enough to write the full novel that a question like that deserves. But I’ll jot down a few thoughts that should give you the general idea.”

I don’t know how your teachers would feel, but you’d pass my classes with a A. Social Studies and Language Arts both.


117 posted on 07/30/2007 4:33:33 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student

Social Studies and Language Arts? I took History and English. ; )


118 posted on 07/30/2007 11:49:42 AM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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