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To: Ping-Pong
Tell you what....show me a reasonably clear indication of transition for the universe itself in Genesis, as with the word “became” for the the earth, and you’ll have my ear....
271 posted on 07/22/2007 5:54:38 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense
Tell you what....show me a reasonably clear indication of transition for the universe itself in Genesis, as with the word “became” for the the earth, and you’ll have my ear....

I don't know if I can or if there is a "clear indication of transition for the universe". I can add part of an article by E.W. Bullinger about the first age when Satan was overthrown: "The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Gen.1:1 we have the founding of the world (Heb.1:10 themelios), but in Gen.1:2 we have it's overthrow.

Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Gen. 1:2 that the earth became tohu and bohu (ie. Waste and desolate): and darkness was on the face of the deep", before the creation of "the heavens and the earth which are now" (2 Peter 3:7)

I don't know if that helps or not. I hope it does.....Ping

274 posted on 07/22/2007 6:25:09 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: csense
....show me a reasonably clear indication of transition for the universe itself in Genesis

In thinking about this wouldn't the scripture already quoted, from Jeremiah 4:23, reference the universe being in transition?

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (became) without form, and void; and the heavens and they had no light.

It isn't from Genesis but it speaks about the universe being disrupted. It was set right again on the fourth day, in Gen. 1:15-19.

275 posted on 07/22/2007 7:06:20 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: csense; Ping-Pong
Show me a reasonably clear indication of transition for the universe itself in Genesis, as with the word “became” for the the earth, and you’ll have my ear....

[Genesis 1:2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The first "was" is this: Strong's #1961. hayah (haw-yaw)to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary)

The second "was" is in Italics in the KJV and is included to make the verse more readable in English. The Hebrew word "Hayah" is not present in the original language here. "Hayah" is translated as "It shall come to pass" in [Genesis 4:14] and "It came to pass" in [Genesis 27:1].

[Genesis 1:3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. This word translated "was" in this verse is also "Hayah" and you can readily see the usage where God said.......and there "Became" light!

There are many other instances in the Hebrew where "Hayah " is used to denote "Became" or "it came to pass".

The words "without form and void" in verse 2 are the Hebrew "tohu va bohu" and are Strong's #8414 and #922. Tohu: tohuw (to'-hoo)from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

Bohu: bohuw (bo'-hoo)from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an indistinguishable ruin emptiness, void.

Now we can see that the English words used for this do not give quite the same picture......(without form and void). Moses calls it a desolation....evidently a result of some type of catastrophe.

[Isaiah 45:18] For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

It seems from just a casual reading of these verses that one can understand there was something here before [Genesis 1:2] and whatever it was that got rearranged was probably created billions of years earlier in [Genesis 1:1].

279 posted on 07/22/2007 7:58:17 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: csense; Diego1618
Tell you what....show me a reasonably clear indication of transition for the universe itself in Genesis, as with the word “became” for the the earth, and you’ll have my ear....

I just came across this scripture this morning and it has a great deal to do with our discussion on the 3 ages of heaven and earth.

11 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
4.How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Paul, I suppose in some type of a vision, was taken to the 3rd. heaven age and shown what it will be like in that paradise. If there is that 3rd age it has to follow this 2nd age and that means there was an age before this one.

Just something else to consider........Ping

318 posted on 07/25/2007 6:11:17 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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