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Norfolk illegally arrests VCDL member!
Phil van Cleave - - VCDL email ^ | 07/19/07 | Phil van Cleave

Posted on 07/20/2007 5:11:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg

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To: Mad Dawg

???


21 posted on 07/20/2007 5:40:45 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Mad Dawg

No where, did I say I supported the police reaction.


22 posted on 07/20/2007 5:41:47 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Mad Dawg

There’s two sides to every story. I would reserve judgment until and unless the City’s comes out.


23 posted on 07/20/2007 5:42:33 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: RFEngineer
I heard it as
We don't smoke,
Nor drink,
Nor cuss.
Norfolk!
(What a boring place it must be! If it weren't for busting citizens, there wouldn't be anything going on.)
24 posted on 07/20/2007 5:42:52 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: brwnsuga

Could mean if anyone would appreciate the importance of the 2nd Amendment it would be a black, considering the history of gun control laws being used to disarm blacks, thus it is more surprising a black officer would participate in this action. I doubt the author would be suggesting that this black officer is too uppity thinking she can disarm white men. Then again you never know. Myself, I would resent being unlawfully disarmed by anyone regardless of race creed color sex (not gender).


25 posted on 07/20/2007 5:44:22 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: stuartcr
I'm sorry. I did not mean to suggest you did.

As to the "???," I got all confused in answering my comments. I'm not used to all the attention.

26 posted on 07/20/2007 5:44:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; EarthBound

Ping-

Excellent usuage of the word “sacrificially”!

My biggest hope for my family is still to get MrsMac (and any of our spawn) training and familiarization with firearms. Being stationed in Va Beach... this could be a problem.


27 posted on 07/20/2007 5:47:07 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Spelling is Secondary to message! - and other excuses for typos...)
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To: stuartcr

Failure to exercise your rights can have agonizing results, Go here! GunControlWitness.wmv


28 posted on 07/20/2007 5:47:49 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: stuartcr

“I’m not arguing the right to carry, I’m saying that I think it was irresponsible. In my opinion, the odds of a police man having both hands occupied and in a position to have his weapon taken, are much less, than a civilian walking around a festival.”

I understand your argument, but I’ll add my 2 cents in anyway.

I’ll trust 1000 armed, openly carrying, law abiding civilians in my country long before I’ll trust 1 armed police officer.

Especially with the example shown above.

What he should have done was to travel with others doing the same. I doubt seriously there would have been the level of arrogance displayed by the Norfolk Gestapo as there was.


29 posted on 07/20/2007 5:51:45 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: stuartcr
He should have left it in the car.

Vraiment? Sho' 'nuff?

When I have to leave my gun in the car, I always disassemble it and take the guide rod and spring with me and hide the gun. I don't like doing that because I figure that every time I handle my gun I'm increasing the odds of a negligent discharge. And can you imagine the hassle if it were stolen?

Why it'd be almost as bad as being busted by the Norfolk Sheriff's Office!

And in any event, the only time I trusted the law to be there when I needed it was when I was the law (of a very diffident and minor kind), I don't care how many PPM LEOs there are in the environment.

Of the many things that turned me into a slavering gun rights nut was the news that a friend died on the 9-11 because security told him to go back to his office, everything was okay -- and he ended up with an airplane in his lap.

Since then I've kind of taken responsibility for protecting me and mine.

30 posted on 07/20/2007 5:51:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Did he get his pistol back?

Why did he not say “Yes Sir” and left when given that option?

He could have gone to his car, removed the firearm or concealed it and returned.

And why was his firearm not considered a ‘firearm ‘ under the law? A pellet gun? ??

This sounds like he was ‘pushing the envelope’ looking for a confrontation to make a point.


31 posted on 07/20/2007 5:52:07 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: ontap

Sorry use this address.

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/national-11/1899-gun-control-witness-addressing-congress-video.html


32 posted on 07/20/2007 5:53:44 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: jude24
I think that's always good advice.

BUT, in this case I trust Phil to have vetted it, and the nolle prossequi is kind of a hint of (a) the snarky unwillingness of the Commonwealth Attorney to say "We blew it," but also (b) the realization that the deputies had kicked a hornet's nest and they were going to lose if it came to trial.

33 posted on 07/20/2007 5:55:24 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stuartcr
Take your family to the Arizona State Fair in Phoenix at night and you would wish you were carrying weapon with full automatic capabilities. Not all the thugs are illegal insurgents, but they are there among the drunk masses.
34 posted on 07/20/2007 6:00:43 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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To: Vinnie
  1. The act the deputies were referring to defines "firearm" as a rifle or something of that kind.
  2. The deputy was a female of the extreme opposite sex.
  3. As I said above somewhere, leaving one's pistol in the car is at best a drag. My pistols are either in my holster or in my safe as my favorite choices. If they're not there, they're in pieces.
  4. If he was looking for a confrontation, he got one. That does not excuse the deputies for breaking the law, as far as I can tell. What do you think of the gun confiscation in New Orleans after Katrina? is that relevant?
  5. The story suggests that many LEO's had noted or should have noted that he was carrying openly, as permitted by VA law, and that he was with his family. While the writer makes a big deal of his being humiliated in the presence of his wife and kiddies, I think he acted well. Kids need to be taught respect for the law AND respect for their rights.

35 posted on 07/20/2007 6:02:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

In my opinion they only had one question to ask this gentleman and that was to see his permit. I believe they are liable for everything after that point. They should be severely reprimanded for either their callous disregard for the law or their gross ignorance. With the number of officers involved it’s not too much to ask that at least one of them know what the hell they’re doing! Arrogance or incompetence.


36 posted on 07/20/2007 6:05:00 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Mad Dawg
Since then I've kind of taken responsibility for protecting me and mine.

BINGO!

37 posted on 07/20/2007 6:08:55 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: ontap

Unless you are legally disqualified (for instance, felon, under protective order, habitual poster on FR — that kind of thing) anyone over 21 may legally carry openly nearly anywhere in VA. Court is out, Church during services except “for good and sufficient reason”, stuff like that. No permit is required. We may have elected Webb but we’re not all bad here in VA.


38 posted on 07/20/2007 6:09:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stuartcr
I don’t understand why anyone would carry open, at a family festival event, with so mny people in close proximity to each other. Having both hands pre-occupied, lends itself to having one’s weapon easily taken. Regardless of the lagality, I think it was a pretty irresponsible thing to do.

So you think the police walking around at this event don't eat while carrying?

39 posted on 07/20/2007 6:09:27 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Vinnie
Did he get his pistol back?

Sorry I didn't answer this earlier.

Yes, the story says he got his pistol back after the non-trial but not his ammo.

40 posted on 07/20/2007 6:11:38 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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