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1 posted on 07/20/2007 1:21:26 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
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Not that it matters anymore.


2 posted on 07/20/2007 1:23:23 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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Goodbye, Old Europe - enjoy your Islamization and the sacking
of your countries by Germany and the EU.

Hello, Poland - the future.


3 posted on 07/20/2007 1:25:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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I know there’s someone out there who has knowledge of the UN Charter —

Is it permitted, under the UN Rules and Procedures, for a nation to cede its place - and, presumably, its SC Veto - to another nation or entity?

Something very, very fishy here......


4 posted on 07/20/2007 1:27:45 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: bruinbirdman

Well, the US has only one vote instead of fifty at the UN so the EU gettig one is only fair. Let those individual countries see how it feels...


10 posted on 07/20/2007 2:20:01 AM PDT by philman_36
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Listen up all those that think an AU would be a great idea...

This will essentially cripple defense of the west in the Security Council.

11 posted on 07/20/2007 2:29:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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The issue is set to become a major stumbling block for efforts by Mr Brown, the Prime Minister, to deny a referendum on the EU Treaty.

It is pretty raw behavior on the part of the government to try to deny its subjects at least a referendum when the question is that of ceding sovereignty to another state.

I don't think that anyone 100 years ago could have predicted how far that mighty empire on which the sun never sets would have fallen just a scant century later.

I guess no one should be surprised that Sir Winston Churchill's name is to be struck from the history curriculum in secondary schools in Britain.

12 posted on 07/20/2007 2:39:25 AM PDT by snowsislander
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"With provisions like this, there can be no question but that the new treaty would fundamentally transform the EU and is in effect the EU constitution in all but name, as Gordon Brown has admitted," said Mr Hague. "So the British people must be allowed the final say in the referendum they were promised."

The constitution was rejected , so now they implement it by degree through treaties!

Theres a lesson to be learned here..if anyone is paying attention.....

15 posted on 07/20/2007 2:56:29 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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it should take france’s seat ...not britain’s!!!


18 posted on 07/20/2007 3:07:17 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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The countries that have permanent seats on the Security Council are the countries that won WWII. That made sense at the time. it doesn’t make sense any more.

At the very least, the UNSC should add India and Brazil, maybe Japan. There should probably be permanent members from among the sane and stable nations of the Middle East and Africa ... as soon as there is one. Jordan is the only contender I can think of thr the ME, and South Africa is the closest thing to a stable force on that continent, which isn’t close enough.

I see a good argument for giving the EU a voice, but how the *&^% did they reach the solution of Britain giving its seat over to the EU while France keeps its seat?


20 posted on 07/20/2007 3:24:45 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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Weren’t we just talking about this? un-freaking-believable.


22 posted on 07/20/2007 3:29:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: bruinbirdman

France is a permanent member of the Security Council. There should be an EU seat to replace both the UK and France. Japan should have a seat along with India. Some thought should be given to removing Russia.


33 posted on 07/20/2007 4:49:23 AM PDT by kabar
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Thanks for posting. Very interesting. Great thread.


38 posted on 07/20/2007 6:52:45 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: bruinbirdman

bump


54 posted on 07/20/2007 9:11:32 AM PDT by fso301
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To: bruinbirdman

I’ll never understand why nations commit suicide.


64 posted on 07/20/2007 10:18:40 AM PDT by DesScorp
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"There is a provision which provides for the representative of the EU to state the position of the EU at the UN Security Council."

There's a little more to it than merely stating the EU's position. A permanent member of the UNSC also has veto authority over propositions before the Council. The significance to this isn't so much the participation of the EU in this regard - France, after all, enjoys that prerogative - but the fact that Great Britain wouldn't be able to use hers.

Well, no one can say Chirac isn't up front about the whole thing. "Gloating" might be a more accurate term.

75 posted on 08/02/2007 5:45:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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THe French Republic also holds a seat on the Security Council last I checked. Why does the European Union not take over the French seat rather than the British seat? Did France win some war (ever) and win double representation through the peace treaty? France suffered humiliating defeat even by its own standards and consequent virtual obliteration during the last major European war while Britain survived, regrouped, and mustered the resolve to ally with America and rescue France from the evil Nazi regime.

So will France now surrender its Security Council seat? India could use a seat given its enormous population, historic civilization, military prowess, and large economy. And why not Japan? Why does Russia today warrant a seat but not Japan?


79 posted on 08/02/2007 6:16:18 PM PDT by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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