[Ultra Sonic 007]

But, for the sake of argument, let's continue. Let us suppose that this perfect God did create the universe. Humans were the crown of his creation, since they were created in God's image and have the ability to make decisions. However, these humans spoiled the original perfection by choosing to disobey God. What!? If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.

It's hard to take someone trying to deconstruct God's existence seriously if they miss out on one of the most fundamental aspects of the Fall of Man.

Satan - the serpent in the Garden of Eden - tempted Eve into tasting the forbidden fruit. Eve then tempted Adam. Satan - not humans - brought imperfection into this world. Once Satan did his deed, it was done.

Sheesh. Has Chad even read the Bible?

[sleepy_hollow]

I agree, and would add that, in my experience, one of the key errors in thinking by atheists is their attempts to describe God’s attributes, including the things He would do or not do. They kind of undermine their own arguments by doing this since they move to the realm of metaphysics, the very place they deny exists.

I would assert that this is not logical, or sincere, discussion but posturing using rhetoric. It is certainly not scientific.

[GraniteStateConservative]

God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans.

Satan - not humans - brought imperfection into this world.

God created angels [Lucifer/Satan, included], too, so you can substitute that word and still keep the argument intact.

Not that I agree with the argument, but the argument doesn't hinge upon using the word humans vs. angels (unless angels were created imperfect while humans were created perfect).

[GiovannaNicoletta]

If Adam and Eve had chosen to obey God, instead of believing Satan and acting on what he offered, imperfection, sin, and suffering would not exist in this world.

Adam and Eve had a choice, and they chose wrong.