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To: sirchtruth

I’m ignorant, eh? Well, I guess breezily dismissing me, calling me ignorant, and stating that “The vast scientific acknowledgements from biblical accounts are way too many to start mentioning” without ever bothering to cite any just put me right in my place. Here are SOME of the examples where the Bible contradicts Science, just from the book of Genesis:

Genesis

“God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.”
God purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey.

“In the beginning” 1:1
When was the universe created?

“In the beginning” 1:1-2
The Gap Theory

The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The true order of events was just the opposite. 1:1-2:3

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn’t make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be “the evening and the morning” on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5

God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8

Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11

God lets “the earth bring forth” the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all. 1:11

In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used “for signs”. This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read “the signs” in the Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth. 1:14

God makes two lights: “the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night.” But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to “rule the night”, does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? 1:16

“He made the stars also.” God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day’s work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16

“And God set them [the stars] in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.” 1:17

In verse 11, God “let the earth bring forth” the plants. Now he has the earth “bring forth” the animals as well. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe God created livings things through the process of evolution. 1:24

God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26

God commands us to “be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” 1:28

“I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat.” 1:29

All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas — all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. 1:30

“God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.” He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey. 1:31

In Genesis 1 the entire creation takes 6 days, but the universe is at least 12 billion years old, with new stars constantly being formed. 1:31

Humans were not created instantaneously from dust and breath, but evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms. 2:7

After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. 2:18-22

God fashions a woman out of one of Adam’s ribs.
Because of this story, it was commonly believed (and sometimes it is still said today) that males have one less rib than females. When Vesalius showed in 1543 that the number of ribs was the same in males and females, it created a storm of controversy. 2:19

God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before — by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don’t eat dust, do they? 3:14

Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the (false) Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. 3:17-18

When Lamech was born, nine generations were alive at once. Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech were all alive at the time of Lamech’s birth. Adam lived to see his great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson. 5:25

“There were giants in the earth in those days.” Well, I suppose it’s good to know that. But why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants? 6:4

Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long. 6:14-15

Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of “every thing that creepeth upon the earth.” 7:8

God opens the “windows of heaven.” He does this every time it rains. 7:11

All of the animals boarded the ark “in the selfsame day.” 7:13-14

The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare. 7:20

“The windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained.” This happens whenever it stops raining. 8:2

Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn’t germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11

When the animals left the ark, what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find their way back after the flood subsided? 8:19

Noah kills the “clean beasts” and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all “clean” animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. 8:20-21

“Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.” Although this would have been good advice for the mythical Noah, it is deadly advice for humankind as a whole. Overpopulation is one of our greatest problems, yet there is nothing in the bible to address it. 9:1

According to this verse, all animals fear humans. Although it is true that many do, it is also true that some do not. Sharks and grizzly bears, for example, are generally much less afraid of us than we are of them. 9:2

“Into your hand are they (the animals) delivered.” God gave the animals to humans, and they can do whatever they please with them. This verse has been used by bible believers to justify all kinds of cruelty to animals and environmental destruction. 9:2

God is rightly filled with remorse for having killed his creatures. He even puts the rainbow in the sky to remind himself of his promise to the animals not to do it again. But rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops. There were rainbows billions of years before humans existed. 9:13

Some creationists believe that this verse refers to continental drift, which, they say, began to occur during the days of Pelag (which means “division”), about 100 or so years after the flood. But many other creationists disagree. 10:25

“The whole earth was of one language.” But this could not be true, since by this time (around 2400 BCE) there were already many languages, each unintelligible to the others. 11:1, 6

God worries that people could build a tower high enough to reach him (them?) in heaven, and that by so doing they will become omnipotent. 11:4-6

According to the Tower of Babel story, the many human languages were created instantaneously by God. But actually the various languages evolved gradually over long periods of time. 11:9

The ridiculously long lives of the patriarchs. 11:10-32

“And they returned to the land of the Philistines.” But the Philistines didn’t arrive in the region of Canaan until around 1200 BCE — 800 years after Abraham’s supposed migration from Ur. 21:32, 26:1, 8, 15, 18

Laban learns “by experience” that God has blessed him for Jacob’s sake. “By experience” means “by divination”, at least that is how most other versions translate this verse. 30:27

Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats. 30:37-39

God (or an angel) praises Jacob for his fancy genetic work in Gen.30:37-39. 31:11-12

Joseph and his magic divining cup. 44:5, 44:15

For several hundred more, go to:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

Please, please, please educate me out of my pathetic ignorance!! Please tell me why the above aren’t Biblical contradictions to Science, if not common sense as well (depending on which of the more than 50 versions of the Bible you are reading – which one is the right one? Isn’t it bigoted and perhaps racist as well to ignore all the other world’s major religions and declaim Christianity the only “true” religion? ). I guess your omniscient God didn’t look ahead and see that we’d screw up his TRUE WORD with our little translation hijinks. Maybe He could’ve done a better job - considering the only thing at stake was the immortal souls of billions of people - that He created his own infinite torture chamber to preside over for eternity - in His infinite mercy. Why did he create flawed beings that He KNEW would fail, then build a torture chamber for them? When He saw WWI & WWII from Heaven, why didn’t He come down and stop it? Could it be because He doesn’t exist? Oh, I’m so sorry!! I didn’t mean to actually USE my mind! THAT’s where I’ve lost my way! I just have to accept that the Bible is God’s One True Word, and accept it on FAITH, even though every piece of not only scientific, but common-sense evidence causes any reasonable person to see the Bible for what it is – a collection of primitive, superstitious fairy-tales.


228 posted on 07/17/2007 5:28:24 PM PDT by Locke_2007 (Liberals are Non-sentient life forms)
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To: Locke_2007
I'll be glad to tell you why you are so terribly ignorant: Your arrogant assumptions.

Not ONE of those verses contradict science except in your tunneled visioned mind. I'll leave you with this and if you're wise you'll take it to heart:

Words means things.

229 posted on 07/17/2007 5:55:12 PM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Locke_2007
God is rightly filled with remorse for having killed his creatures. He even puts the rainbow in the sky to remind himself of his promise to the animals not to do it again. But rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops. There were rainbows billions of years before humans existed. 9:13

I'll reply to this one just because it caught my attention in the past. I believe Newton did his work in optics in part because of this verse. Newton was a believing Christian, and this is a pet theory of mine. You (or the website you cut and paste from) assumes that rainbows appeared prior -- but on what basis? I think Newton was curious as well and actually looked at light to try to figure out what God changed. Did he change the nature of condensation and refraction? The physical laws of the universe and light themselves? Clarity in the atmosphere? It's a curious question, but one that is not contradictory at all to nature -- ONCE you see the possiblity of miracle -- of supernatural action on the part of God. It's his universe, he can do what he wishes within it.

233 posted on 07/17/2007 6:14:41 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Locke_2007

I’ll leap into the breach with Noah. I think the fundamentalists will say that only families or genus or some such was needed on the ark, not all species. Then they speciated from a base, making the ark possible.

Even if fact somehow ends up disproving this as a possibility, the most you will get in terms of proof is a turn from a literalist interpretation to an allegorical interpretation. Fundamentalists fight that fight because they believe it is literal. I think the butresses, the supporters of the fundamentalists from the outside, so to speak, fight the fight because they see the word games and falsehoods that are promulgated when you cease to take inspired scripture as the word of God and begin to pick and choose what should guide you.


269 posted on 07/19/2007 7:15:39 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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