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To: Greg F
“General relativity and quantum mechanics have disjoint experimental domains. General relativity is only observable with massive objects. Quantum effects are only observable with minute particles. Thus these incompatible theories can coexist in a temporary truce. Eventually something has to change.”

What is incompatible about them? They are describing different aspects of our reality and where they intersect they don't disagree. The GUT (grand unified theory) is going to unite them not prove one of them wrong. Again just like E=MCsquared did not disprove F=MA, ∆P*∆M≥ hbar will likewise not be overturned, non commutative math is here to stay, regardless of differences in spacetime.

But God created time and space itself, it does not limit him. You might get somewhere in the argument with the created god of the Mormons who lives around the star Kolob, or with the Scientologists and thier Thetans and Xenu in their spaceships, or somesuch, but the argument makes no sense regarding God the creator of the universe itself.

What evidence do you have that Xenu is not the creator of the universe?

Think about how remarkeable it is to have a God defined in the Bible thirty five hundred years ago that still stands consistent with the ancient text and consistent with modern knowledge!

Do you really think that Noah's Ark and Joshua's stopping the Sun and the Moon is consistent with modern knowledge? ROFLOL

223 posted on 07/17/2007 5:15:08 PM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: LeGrande
Again just like E=MCsquared did not disprove F=MA, ∆P*∆M≥ hbar will likewise not be overturned, non commutative math is here to stay, regardless of differences in spacetime.

Says who? What's the sum of the interior angles of a triangle...without assuming it's Euclidian?

226 posted on 07/17/2007 5:23:19 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: LeGrande

Well, I have to cut and paste on this one:

Question: What is the conflict between quantum mechanics and relativity theory
that I have heard about?


Answer: According to relativity, the influence of an event can be felt only if you can see the event, and the influence should be felt only after it has been seen. The essential point being that light travels faster than anything else. In quantum mechanics, it can be shown that influence of an event may be felt before a light signal could have reached you from the same event. This is the main problem. In quantum mechanics, you have to specify initial state everywhere and everything in the world effects the evolution of a system. In relativity, only the events within the lightcone effect the evolution.

LeGrande, you seem to be saying that the faster than light effect is not yet shown? Regardless it is within the theory and so makes them mutually incompatible at that level.

As far as Xenu being master of the universe . . . ah, hmmmm . . . I’ll go with “Christ said he isn’t.”

Do you deny the possibility of the supernatural? Of a miracle?


231 posted on 07/17/2007 6:05:46 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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