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Driver's license laws hit auto dealers
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 7-14-2007 | Mary Lou Pickel

Posted on 07/15/2007 5:06:33 PM PDT by Turbopilot

Jose Genao sells used cars for a living, but lately he's had to turn away customers from his Smyrna dealership.

Genao used to sell about 15 vehicles a week, mostly Ford F-150 or Silverado pickups to a Mexican clientele. Now he sells only two or three.

Half a dozen customers have returned cars because they can't register them.

"They bring the key and tell me, 'Jose, I'm leaving,' " Genao said.

Genao is feeling the fallout from a new state law, effective July 1, that requires a valid Georgia driver's license or ID card to register a car in Georgia.

The law is cutting deep into traffic for many auto dealers and tag and title services catering to the state's growing immigrant community. Illegal immigrants can't get driver's licenses because to do so, they must prove they're in the country legally.

The law also has the potential to cut into sales taxes and county ad valorem tax revenues, though metro area counties say it's too early to measure that effect.

The bill's sponsor, Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) said he did not target immigrants.

"Yes, this will impact people who are here illegally, but my biggest focus is public safety," he said.

"If [car dealers and tag services] have built their business on people who are here illegally, I'm sorry, but at some point they had to realize that was not going to continue," Rogers said.

The license plate law closes a window that gave motorists 30 days to get Georgia driver's licenses after moving to the state. In the interim, a driver could register a car with an out-of-state or international license.

Also effective July 1 was a separate, 2006 law requiring increased verification of legal status in Georgia for a variety of other purposes, including to work in some jobs or qualify for welfare.

While no one knows how many illegal immigrants are in Georgia, a government estimate put the number around 470,000. Nationally, most illegal immigrants are from Mexico, followed by El Salvador, Guatemala, India and China, according to a 2005 Department of Homeland Security report.

Genao, 34, has a green card and has lived in the United States eight years. If business doesn't pick up, he might return to his native Dominican Republic to tend to a car dealership there.

"If they don't do something, a lot of businesses are going to close," he said.

Tony Brooks, an insurance agent who caters to the Hispanic community in Marietta, said business for his tag and title service has dropped off about 80 percent since the law went into effect.

"It's definitely slowing things down, that's for sure," Brooks said.

He's had to turn away 30 to 40 people wanting tags in the last two weeks because they don't have Georgia driver's licenses.

His main business is auto insurance, which hasn't suffered, but he's worried immigrant customers won't buy insurance either if they can't register their cars.

Cobb County's tag offices have seen a "significant decrease" in the volume of applications submitted by tag and title services in the last two weeks, said Stewart Manley, manager of Cobb County's tag offices.

The county has also turned away about 40 people per day, Manley said, out of an average 1,900 customers served daily. Some are people who have moved from other states and don't have Georgia driver's licenses yet, Manley said. "They're complaining mildly," he said.

Tax collectors in Cobb, Gwinnett and DeKalb said it is too early to tell how the new license plate law would affect tax collection.

"You really won't see the effect economically for six months," said Brent Bennett, director of vehicle registrations for DeKalb County.

Loopholes exist even with the new law.

An illegal immigrant can still mail in a tag renewal or go online and avoid the need to show a driver's license.

That's what Raul Hernandez plans to do. He is an illegal immigrant from Mexico who came here legally but overstayed his visa and so has a Georgia driver's license. He doesn't have to worry about the tag problem, but his friends do.

"People have asked me to get tags for them in my name. Right now I said 'No, it's not worth the risk. If they get tickets, they'll be sent to me,' " he said in Spanish.

"Right now people are scared, but it will settle down and go back to normal," Hernandez predicted.

Isaias Zavala, 33, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who works construction, said he has no license but his wife does, so he registers their car through her. Still, he worries because he has to drive to work.

"This all seems very bad to me," he said in Spanish of the new law.

Perimeter Insurance Agency used to process 25 tags per week in one Cobb County location. Since July 1, they've done only three renewals, said Jose Mendez, part owner of the business.

His co-owner, Rick Craddock, said he appreciates his immigrant customers.

"We love these people," Craddock said.

But he acknowledges there is a problem with illegal immigration. "We have to secure the border and slow the influx," he said. "The solution is not to kick out all the people who are already here."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimaliens; enforcement; georgia; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; nowayjose
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To: bukkdems
What they hell are you talking about? My argument was simply about market wages and market prices. You are babbling about prison labor, moon-shining, leather upholstered cars, gangsters, etc. With due respect, sir, you sound like a nut.
81 posted on 07/15/2007 7:26:11 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: org.whodat
Slow down bud, I was responding to his question? You can go back and read it if you can?

Yes, I can read...and use punctuation. You were the one who brought up driving "dunk" in post 47.

82 posted on 07/15/2007 7:28:11 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Can I cast the second stone?)
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To: Politicalmom

“Christians” shouldn’t be invading someone else’s country, and committing identity theft, document fraud, and STEALING from Americans by dropping anchor babies at public expense and immediately putting them on welfare.”

Yes, an ammendment to ban automatic citizenship for babies born to illegals is something I support, as well as banning cousins and parents entry via familial relationships/sympathy instead of demonstrated skills and Western predilictions. The most important aspect of the amnesty bill was a long-term improvement of immigration demographics. Nothing else mattered, to me and I couldn’t believe TKennedy approved of it!


83 posted on 07/15/2007 7:34:47 PM PDT by bukkdems (Western democracies! Ban the niqab in public.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Yes, I can read...and use punctuation.

Never got the email where Jim put you in charge of that. So you will be busy for a long time, get to it there must be thousands of posts for you to read and correct.

84 posted on 07/15/2007 7:40:58 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Turbopilot
Here's what was in the Houston Chronicle editorial section today: Take criminal out of illegal.

Here's a sample sentence from the piece written by a former federal immigration judge in Houston: "In my work at the Immigration Clinic at the University of Houston Law Center, I have daily contact with so-called 'illegal immigrants.'"
85 posted on 07/15/2007 7:44:39 PM PDT by Lord Basil
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To: Turbopilot

The only problem I have with this law is that it creates a pain in the butt for everybody when they should simply be targeting illegals.

The article says the law closes a loophole allowing people 30 days to get a Georgia license and the ability to register a vehicle with an out of state license. What’s wrong with giving people 30 days to change over their license?

How about simply cracking down illegals and giving regular citizens a break.


86 posted on 07/15/2007 7:48:19 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08)
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To: Turbopilot

Sounds like progress to me. Maybe I should go back to Georgia. I always loved it there.


87 posted on 07/15/2007 7:48:38 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: Travelgirl

They get roughly 1/2 to 1 % of their annual budgets from government money. It is largely private donations, private foundations and such that give the ACLU its working capital.


88 posted on 07/15/2007 7:49:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: raybbr

So he goes from making 120,000 a month to breaking even. “Cry me a River” Joe Cocker : )


89 posted on 07/15/2007 7:50:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

My “babbling” is about giving an unprecedented profit motive to authority figures. Their power is intoxicating enough without the incentive to plant drugs, seize assets like homes and cars, and even sell off the evidence, usually to prisoners. Something the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves about.

I mention the ease of corruption with wardens and Sherriffs usurping legitimate contractors with cheap labor and the ability to skim profits doing jobs for favored political friends. Your discount the venality of power, Mr. Pollyanna.


90 posted on 07/15/2007 8:06:22 PM PDT by bukkdems (Western democracies! Ban the niqab in public.)
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To: bukkdems

I actually support the idea of convict leasing and I am sort of glad to see it make a comeback. I thought Fob James was a bad governor, both times, but one of the only good things he did was that he brought back the chain gang to this state.

We were the last state to formally abolish convict leasing, and I think it was a tragedy that we did. Convict leasing helped out our economy, it helped to raise revenues without the imposition of taxes, and it helped develop a work ethic in our prisoners. One of the reasons we have such a problem with crime in this country is that for a century, people have been always screaming about the “fair treatment of prisoners” How it was unfair to house them in buildings that lacked air conditioning, or how we have to provide exercise oppurtunites, and all that other nonsense. I think it is a good thing that our justice system is headed back towards the way it used to be, back when it worked.


92 posted on 07/15/2007 8:15:55 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Turbopilot

“He is an illegal immigrant from Mexico who came here legally but overstayed his visa and so has a Georgia driver’s license.”

If you overstay your visa you get a GA license? Does the state dept issue them?


93 posted on 07/15/2007 8:21:31 PM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (Tagline currently under construction.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
How did drinking enter this story? The reason illegals don't have licenses in GA is because of their immigration status, not because they are drunks.

Culturally drink and drive is more popular in the hispanic community than anywhere else. Also - usually no insurance Long tale of woman who used to work for me. car was hit by load of hispanics of undetermined immigration status. Also drunk and of course no insurance. Arrested by Roswell police & posted cash bond next day. Never showed up in court, never heard from again. She was escrewed.

94 posted on 07/15/2007 8:21:47 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: hoosiermama; Just A Nobody; Turbopilot
>>>>The license plate law closes a window that gave motorists 30 days to get Georgia driver's licenses after moving to the state. In the interim, a driver could register a car with an out-of-state or international license.

I wonder if someone (non U.S. citizen) with an international license can vote?

95 posted on 07/15/2007 8:21:59 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

If I were in prison, I’d be begging to work in the fields for free instead of sitting all day inside some shtty prison.


96 posted on 07/15/2007 8:22:57 PM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (Tagline currently under construction.)
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To: Turbopilot
While no one knows how many illegal immigrants are in Georgia, a government estimate put the number around 470,000

Take that number times 50 states and you get 25 MILLION not the silly 12 million we are constantly being fed.

I'll wager the real number is closer to 40 million than 25 million too!

97 posted on 07/15/2007 8:23:56 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Turbopilot

I can’t wait to see the ACLU argue for illegals driving without a valid drivers license.


98 posted on 07/15/2007 8:28:44 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Turbopilot

imagine that, you can’t get valid plates and tags without being legally allowed to drive.


99 posted on 07/15/2007 8:31:01 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: bukkdems

I’m glad your husband is a former state rep, if he thinks as you do.


100 posted on 07/15/2007 8:34:25 PM PDT by Rastus
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