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Bikers are older, but not always wiser
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | July 14, 2007 | ANNYSA JOHNSON

Posted on 07/15/2007 7:30:18 AM PDT by BraveMan

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To: philetus
Hey, to each his own. I'm glad you enjoy it - and I would NEVER want to stop or dissuade you - I'm VERY libertarian that way.

I'm just personally glad that I don't

And, as for my thrill-seeking - which I enjoy - I don't have to worry about others killing me with THEIR stupidity. I've never seen a kayaker hit by a car (except while driving or crossing the street!)

I considered dirt-biking when I was younger because, once again, 99.9% of accidents or injuries would be my fault.

And you may FEEL safer on your bike. But, statistically, you aren't

Folks often see some of the wilder stuff we do when we kayak and ALWAYS ask...isn't that dangerous?. I tell them, yes - but the odds of my getting killed DRIVING to the river are statistically about 10 times greater than the odds of dying ON the river

I regularly tell my wife that driving is the MOST dangerous activity most of us will ever engage in (Scuba diving in caves is about the only activity I know of that is more dangerous. And, although I also dive regularly, I stay in open water). Being on a motorcycle increases that danger.

I'll pass - but I sincerely hope you enjoy yourself and stay safe.

221 posted on 07/16/2007 5:06:28 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: Unruly Human
I've got a R1100S...


Oustanding motorcycle. One of the best all-around rides you can buy.
222 posted on 07/16/2007 6:13:16 AM PDT by HOTTIEBOY (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Eaker

What the hell is that supposed to mean?


223 posted on 07/16/2007 7:34:12 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dutch Boy; Eaker

Why in the world would anybody (who isn’t trash) want to go to a biker bar?


224 posted on 07/16/2007 7:35:56 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bernard
...43% were not wearing a helmet

Look at that this way...57% WERE WEARING A HELMET!

225 posted on 07/16/2007 7:41:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ichabod1
Why in the world would anybody (who isn’t trash) want to go to a biker bar?

To get away from uptight people like you.

226 posted on 07/16/2007 7:46:05 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Banning Bread and Circuses is the New Bread and Circuses....)
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To: philetus
I rode my motorcycle the usual 40 miles to work today over highway, street and road.

Y'know what? I didn't die, I didn't get injured, I didn't crash, nobody cut me off and nobody turned in front of me.

I think I'll keep doing it for another 4 years.

Lord protect and preserve us from busy-bodies, dogooders, safety advocates, ER ninnies, overly concerned wives, people with motorcycle anecdotes, mothers of prevention, overachievers and legislators. Amen.

227 posted on 07/16/2007 7:52:24 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Taking my organs to hell with me....)
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To: 43north
Why make choices that are going to increase your chances of checking out early?

That is the point, we want to decide. If I find, (and I have), that wearing a helmet detracts from my situational awareness, mutes my hearing, increases the speed with which I get fatigued, and is generally hot, uncomfortable, and a distraction which inhibits my keeping track of the vehicles around me, shouldn't I be able to choose?

If I avoid being in an "accident" I won't get hurt, plain and simple.

I was a fireman long ago and far away, and did EMS when the old Cadilacs were the norm for ambulances. It ain't pretty, but for all the 10-50s I ran then, I noticed nothing helps you live another day like not being involved in the wreck.

Since then cages have been outfitted with padded dashboards, collapsible steering columns, seat belts, airbags, antilock brakes, (some) with computerized traction maintenance and tuned suspensions, crumple zones, etc.

Virtually every gadget to make the car safer has been applied except one.

Safer drivers.

It isn't the equipment, it is the driver.

Address that rather than an inanimate object which will do nothing to prevent the accident, and you might have more time for coffee on a Saturday night.

You are in a tough line of work, and it is never easy to tell anyone their onetime little bundle of joy is gone. Rough duty, and I can see where you get your attitude (been there, just a mite).

For some, it might help, but there are deeper problems which need to be addressed and those are the Cause of the wrecks which put the people in your domain.

If NTSB standards were applied to car "accidents" like they are to aircraft crashes, the list would read:

Pilot error

Pilot error

Pilot error

Pilot error

YMMV.

228 posted on 07/16/2007 7:59:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

You are exactly right. Distracted driving is just as bad as drunk driving. I leave my cell phone off in my car and it makes me nuts to see people driving and chatting away. You can’t do both safely.

There are buttheads everywhere no matter what you drive. I choose to be a cager because I don’t want to take the risk of driving a MC. You do and you have the right attitude of situational awareness and riding like everyone else is going to do something stupid (that’s the best way to drive too). I would say “watch your six” but in your case, watch it all.


229 posted on 07/16/2007 8:01:51 AM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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To: philetus

[I drive my 1 ton pickup truck as fast as conditions allow.”]

[I’ll bet you do. My guess is you also use your “1 ton pickup truck” in an intimidating way towards other drivers when you want to pass, change lanes, pull out into traffic, etc.]

You don’t know me and you don’t know how or where I drive yet you personally attack me. You act like a liberal.


230 posted on 07/16/2007 8:17:33 AM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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To: Dianna
Hubby had a small accident (going slowly, narrow rural road, moved over to let a car pass safely and his front wheel went off the pavement)

If you are looking where you don't want the wheel to go it will go there. It has to do with balance (motorcycles have to lean to turn at speeds above a walking pace). Look where you want to go, and you will do much better at going there.

(For the benefit of those who do not realize this and may be lurking.) Sorry he had a bad ride.

231 posted on 07/16/2007 8:30:28 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Eagle Eye

You got it!

Do you ride a Yamaha Road Star?


232 posted on 07/16/2007 9:18:26 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: RGPII

Thanks for the acknowledgement and for your participation! :)


233 posted on 07/16/2007 9:21:47 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Whoa.


234 posted on 07/16/2007 10:07:04 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ichabod1

Is that you, Jesus?


235 posted on 07/16/2007 10:54:10 AM PDT by HOTTIEBOY (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: vietvet67
I've heard that, and believe the odds make it so...but I'm 34 years riding and haven't done so yet.

I've been lucky, and avoided the stupidity of the four-wheelers many times.

236 posted on 07/16/2007 11:13:01 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: BraveMan
A helmet saved my life when I was young, brave, stupid, and invincible.
I wouldn't get on a motorcycle without one, front or back.
237 posted on 07/16/2007 11:18:06 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: ichabod1; Dutch Boy; Eaker

Do you really define ‘biker’ as trash?

Kewl. I’ve always aspired to be true scooter trash!

But I gotta admit that I stay away from 1% er joints.


238 posted on 07/16/2007 12:09:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Size matters. Unless you got more than me.)
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To: blackie

2004 1700 hypercharger and Jardine pipes.

Once into second gear about as fast anything out there and also gets about 47 mpg with a passenger.

What more could I ask for?

Yeah, yeah, a saddlebag full of Bushmill’s.


239 posted on 07/16/2007 12:13:03 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Size matters. Unless you got more than me.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Boy howdy!

The only close call I’ve ever had with my girlfriend on the back was in a parking lot going close past a car. The more I looked at that bumper, the closer I got to it...until...I moved my gaze elsewhere and missed the car. But it was close and would have been humiliating to hit a parked car for no good reason at all.


240 posted on 07/16/2007 12:16:13 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Size matters. Unless you got more than me.)
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