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Russia Suspends Participation in Arms Control Treaty
Associated Press ^ | July 14, 2007

Posted on 07/14/2007 1:16:31 AM PDT by HAL9000

MOSCOW—Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree suspending Russia's participation in a key European arms control treaty, the Kremlin said Saturday.

The Kremlin said in a statement the need to pull out of Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty was linked to "extraordinary circumstances ... which affect the security of the Russian Federation and require immediate measures."

The treaty is seen as a key element in maintaining stability in Europe. It establishes limitations on countries' deployment of tanks, armored combat vehicles, artillery, attack helicopters and combat aircraft.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: armcontrol; armscontrol; cfe; cfet; coldwar; coldwar2; communism; kgb; missiledefense; nato; putin; russia; sovietunion; treaty
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1 posted on 07/14/2007 1:16:34 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Err... They say big things begin with little things. Why does this really strike me as one of those little things?


2 posted on 07/14/2007 1:27:19 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: HAL9000
This was foreseeable. Since the US revoked the ABM-treaty Putin has a good excuse for doing that.

Time for a new arms race. The good thing is that this situation will stimulate nations like Germany and France to invest more into defense again.

3 posted on 07/14/2007 1:27:24 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

” The good thing is that this situation will stimulate nations like Germany and France to invest more into defense again. “

The good thing is that this situation will stimulate nations like Germany and France to blame the US and do nothing - again.

There — fixed it.....


4 posted on 07/14/2007 1:30:00 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Czarist, er Soviet, er “Russian” military dogma has always been built on quantity over quality. Nothing has changed with Mrs. Putin. Low quality, low pay, poorly equipped and under trained Soviets, er Russian, troops are masters of the barracks motor pools upon which their vehicle are parked.
5 posted on 07/14/2007 1:33:03 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: HAL9000
""extraordinary circumstances ... which affect the security of the Russian Federation and require immediate measures."

He needs to gather his forces to go help his Iranian pals create the new Persian Empire and take over the ME oil patch (which he will get a very healthy share of) perhaps? Something seems to have been wrong with him during his last visit with Bush. Putin couldn't look anyone in the eye, He always seemed to be looking at his shoe laces.

6 posted on 07/14/2007 1:35:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: HAL9000

No Blood for spoiled socialist intellectual inbreeds!

Troops home now.

Lord I do hope we dont end up spilling our blood for those parasites, again.


7 posted on 07/14/2007 1:35:35 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Uncle Ike
"the good thing is that this situation will stimulate nations like Germany and France to blame the US and do nothing - again."

"The good thing is that this situation will stimulate nations like Germany and France to blamebeg the US for more US bases and equipment and do nothing - spend nothing, and commit nothing for their own defense- again.

There... fixed it better

8 posted on 07/14/2007 1:41:12 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Leisler
Low quality, low pay, poorly equipped and under trained Soviets, er Russian, troops are masters of the barracks motor pools upon which their vehicle are parked.

And they’re busy trying to figure out which of the maintenance fluids they can drink as alcoholic beverages.

Unfortunately, sometimes they make boo-boo’s in this regard...

9 posted on 07/14/2007 1:41:42 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Occam's razor. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but 99%+ is not too shabby.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

” to blamebeg the US for more US bases “

Not mutually exclusive....

Old Europe has had decades to finely develop the art of blaming the US for all their troubles while, at the same time, demanding that the US dedicate blood and treasure for their defense.....


10 posted on 07/14/2007 1:48:37 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Cheburashka
"And they’re busy trying to figure out which of the maintenance fluids they can drink as alcoholic beverages. Unfortunately, sometimes they make boo-boo’s in this regard...

It really threw them into a state of confusion when they switched from alcohol in the radiators to kerosene at the beginning of ww2, but didn't post the service bulletin update until after the cold war ended.

11 posted on 07/14/2007 1:50:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Uncle Ike
blame is struck through. It's beg the USA
12 posted on 07/14/2007 1:55:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Uncle Ike
blame is struck through. It's beg the USA
13 posted on 07/14/2007 1:56:09 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Atlantic Bridge

I dont think so.
France and Gasprom signed a deal about natural gas exploatation.

France and Germany became new Russian best buddies...
So, Russian arms race wont be targeted against them, but against Poland and Czechia, and Russians can easily win that one.
Ehat Putin did is that he knocked out France and Germany from Cold War pt. II


14 posted on 07/14/2007 2:10:45 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Uncle Ike
De facto since the fall of the Berlin wall the US are not that relevant to the defence of Germany and France anymore. We Europeans are aware that we can not rely on America in case of a war soley. You guys are good allies and friends, but we know also that the times are a changing... The recent Afghanistan and Iraq crisis showed what NATO is worth on both sides of the Atlantic. It would be hypocritical to ignore the changed feelings. Nevertheless the threat in central Europe was very low over the last 15 years and investion into defense were not that nessecary. This situation is changing now for "old" Europe.

Therefore the blame on the US for doing nothing will be restricted. It is rather that the US are blamed for provoking Putin with their new missle defence in Poland and the Czech republic among Europeans. Our benefit from those ABM measures is not that big and we have to pay for new arms that become nessecary. Although everybody knows that Putin just uses those ABMs as a excuse to act against US-interests the European political establishment will be not amused.

Nevertheless this will be irrelevant for the US since the Poles and Czechs will do whatever they want although the "old Europeans" will make them pay their political (and practical) price then. It is a give and take. Personally I believe that there will be much more giving than taking in this case on all sides. Instead of revoking old treaties or provoking each other we should concentrate on something more productive. With help from Russia it would be much easier to deal with Iran.

15 posted on 07/14/2007 2:21:33 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: kronos77

Does that mean we can finally list both france and germany as the enemy they are and have been?

That would be a nice development. Pretending they are our allies is a constant source of indigestion and headache.


16 posted on 07/14/2007 2:22:31 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: kronos77

Somehow it is funny. On one hand the Poles and Czechs are hiding behind the EU (aka Germany and France) against Russia on the other hand they try to torpedo Germany and France as often as they could.

The thing is that Russia is indispensable for the European future. No matter if we like it or not. If the Russian resources are combined with European know-how lots of money can be earned. Therefore Poland and the small “new” Europeans are well advised to think about compromises. On one hand Russia has to be changed into a western civilized society, on the other the Poles have to reduce their national anger about Russians in general.


17 posted on 07/14/2007 2:33:23 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: Grimmy

BuHuHaHa! In Germany we have a bonmot: The more enemies the more honour you have.


18 posted on 07/14/2007 2:35:16 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge; Grimmy

Bloody typos. It must read:

The more enemies you have, the more honour you will get.

(Viel Feind viel Ehr!)


19 posted on 07/14/2007 2:37:10 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

You’re assuming that Russia has any interest in behaving rationally. They do not have a track record that would suggest such as a possibility, let alone a potential.

The resurgent Russia sees itself, very much, in the same old role as hostile to the US. The EU has been angling that way itself by slow degrees over the last decade.

I agree with you that the EU and Russia will join forces. But where we probably differ is in the motivation for that joining.


20 posted on 07/14/2007 2:37:36 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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