Posted on 07/13/2007 9:26:23 PM PDT by tazannie
If the owners of these fields would pay more, none of these would be “vacant jobs”. Thats supply and demand, freemarket economics.
No, don’t be confused- that bill in post 44 is a legislative prohibition against the SPP- NOT the amnesty bill referenced by the main article.
In related news, slavery outlawed except for field hands.
Part of my platform for 2008.
My e-mail to the white house and various senators: Mr. President, perhaps you and I have one thing in common, our strong feelings about the issue of illegal immigration. It should be obvious to even the most casual observer that you have to do something other than the status quo or the provisions of the senate bill.
Until we have security and some semblance of border control, most Americans will not support any benefits, amnesty, or whatever you want to do to help the illegal immigrant. This is the basic problem with your philosophy and those who supported the legislation. Security first. Then we will listen to other changes.
You need to impress upon us that you care more about us then you do illegal immigrants. And some of us have relatives waiting years to get in and the people you support can walk across tonight. THEY MUST GET IN LINE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!
Here is my proposal. Feel free to run with it.
1. Do the job you swore to do. Enforce the current laws. Support and reinforce the officers working the border. Support a federal law directing local police and other law enforcement to take action to detain and initiate deportation of those here illegally. Jail employers of illegal immigrants.
2. No benefits for those in the country illegally. Exception, those with true emergency medical conditions will receive treatment while their deportation is initiated.
3. Initiate a constitutional amendment to stop the anchor baby phenomenon.
4. Build the fence.
5. Change the immigration quotas to reflect real needs justified by industry and/or states. Make the justifications public. So the average American knows how many we are allowing in and why. We will support something logical, fair, and needed AFTER our security is taken care of.
Milton Friedman: A country cannot simultaneously be a welfare state and have open borders.
Tancredo is co-sponsoring the bill to STOP THE NAU.
This ha nothing to do with granting amnesty. It is a seperate matter.
*In February 2004, Alan Greenspan announced that America has an OVERSUPPLY of low-skilled, low-educated workers. (“Greenspan Calls for Better-Educated Workforce,” Washington Post, 21 February 2004).BUMPING THAT!!!In other words, America already has enough people to do these types of agricultural jobs. They have to sit in the unemployment line BECAUSE COMPANIES INSIST ON HIRING PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.
That's not true, they know EXACTLY what they're doing, they just don't care as long as they can get away with it. Democrats know that citizenship for millions of illegals means millions more Democrat voters. Poor Hispanics are a major Democrat vote bloc now, and with 12-20 million more given citizenship and voting rights that means another 5-10 million Democrat voters and a permanent Democrat majority of voters.
OTOH, Republicans are simply catering to their financial supporters in businesses from Mom and Pop retailers and home-based lawn services to giant agricultural, construction, and industrial corporations which are benefiting immensely from the cheap labor pool of illegals. I don't understand why they either don't see or don't care about the Democrats' plan to swamp the registration rolls with millions of new new Democrat voters when those millions of illegals are granted full citizenship, but whatever their comprehension problem is they need to be brought back to reality by millions of letters and phone calls from the people who put them where they are.
I don't for one minute believe the polls which say that a majority of Americans are not concerned about illegal immigration. The corporate interests who are behind the amnesty nonsense can buy polls like you and I buy a loaf of bread. If we make our outrage known to those hacks we elected maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee, and if they don't there is another election next year and the opportunity to express our outrage in a way they can understand. Unfortunately millions of voters who oppose this crap will go ahead and vote for their critter because of his or her party label no matter how he or she voted on the shamnesty bills. We have to cancel out those brain dead party loyalists by recruiting new voters and making them aware of the seriousness of the situation. IMHO granting citizenship to the tens of millions of poverty stricken immigrants who will flood the nation once it becomes known that citizenship is available to anyone who makes it across our borders would be by far the worst disaster the US has experienced since the Civil War. We managed to survive that war, but I don't believe the US can survive a 100 million new citizens who will transform the nation into a super-sized version of El Salvador or Guatemala
If the illegal mass invasion of our nation across the southern border is allowed to continue as it has for the last decade, within a few more decades the US will be finished as a 1st world major nation and will join the rest of Latin America in 2nd and 3rd world poverty, disease, corruption, and general human misery. WE MUST act now in overwhelming numbers or we will leave our children and grandchildren in a giant human cesspool like those from which these illegals are fleeing to our nation to escape.
:) yes I do. I love all patriots in the battle against all enemies, DOMESTIC & FOREIGN.
The negative is that, when defeated, they will simply be prettied up and thrown back into the arena, over and over and over again. Sooner or later even the worst can be enacted simply by becoming familiar and boring.
Cause for concern is that elected officials seem determined to make it happen, just as they are determined NOT to enforce existing laws in order to concentrate on changing their impact with new ones.
I also wonder about the 'unintended consequences' and conflicting results from future partisan elections. Increasingly republican and democrat don't apply. We posture and debate over party issues, left and right, but pro and anti amnesty forces each draw sponsors from across party lines - leaving us with faulty choices at election time. Do I vote for the 'conservative values' guy who supports open borders, or for a 'social liberal' who advocates cutting services to non-citizens? Does the moonbat down the street vote for troop withdrawal or for deportations?
Please don't laugh, because that conflict is just what we got with GWB and the evidence was all on the table through two elections.
In Feinstein's case I expect she votes the way her union support wants her to vote. Obviously, the farm workers want this 'blue card' bill while teamsters and aerospace workers are not threatened by it.
How predictable and appropriate we learn of this on Friday the 13th...
Seems to me we should fry up the switchboard again this weekend...
“2ndDivisionVet” has the numbers imbedded in his profile...
Gotta go find them again...;-)
Light them up again people...It’ll never end...
Ping.
Quote; “It ain’t over ‘til it’s over.”
Time to call our senators again. They’re determined to push the amnesty bill through in increments, while hidden in other legislation, come hell or high water.
Also check out the links at # 80.
My head’s about to blow off my shoulders again.
Is it amnesty or is it Guest Worker program. Are the immigration guards playing loose with the truth again??
Most of them would rather the crops rot in the field than have Mexicans pick them.
Pray for W and Our Troops
How many times do these people need to be taken to the woodshed? I wish it were 2008 already so we could vote a bunch of them out!
If Bush wants this amnesty so much, he will not give up.
>I only wish that the word would get out to every American! Both amnesty and open borders have always been ‘next steps’ in the NAU agenda. I think that by keeping us focused on aspects of ‘comprehensive immigration reform’like defending ourselves from the ‘racist’ label, the OBL has successfully kept us looking at the pieces of the puzzle and prevented many from ‘seeing’ the bigger picture.
Either FR has yet to ‘come around’ or is intentionally playing the ‘keep the focus on the pieces game’.<
We have a group on FR that keeps pointing out how nice our home (America) looks. That’s true, from a distance. When someone says that the rain gutters leak, they’ll reply that it not raining and we do have double pane windows. When someone says that the caulking around the windows is getting old and cracked, they’ll reply that the new chrome faucet in the bathroom sure was a good deal and we need to thank the President for telling us that China had them on sale.
If you bring up the fact that the paint on the west side is peeling, they say that the contractor offered a good deal to repave the driveway and lay in a new lawn, something that we all have wanted for the kids for years.
Then some smartass like you stands up and says she has the inspection report from the inspector and he said the termites that we sprayed for four years ago with the new super fandangled enviroment protecting spray didn’t work at all. The all wooden foundation needs replacing or else the house will collapse during the first heavy snowfall.
Whoopeedoo, that’s not what I wanted to hear but hey Kimberly, did you know that K Mart has a good deal on tents and camping gear this month.
Will the house really collapse during the first heavy snowfall? I think we should have Congress investigate it in committee for a few months and then next spring we can start saving money for a new concrete foundation.
China has built these new concrete plants, I am researching them now but it looks like they should be able to supply us with all the concrete we’ll ever need. And it’ll be below the cost of our own concrete!
Did you notice how well the market is doing? I won’t mention anything about the dollar until late this afternoon.
Relevant, must read excerpt from an interview with Duncan Hunter:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1864263/posts?page=89#89
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Irving Baxter: We are interviewing today, U.S. Congressman Duncan Hunter, from California, Republican candidate for President of the United States. We are very happy to have him with us. Congressman, I don’t want to just pound away on a single issue I want to give you a chance to speak to some other things that are very important to you and our nation. But before we leave the immigration issue, I just want to follow up a little bit. So we got an estimate of 12 - 20 million illegals here. I’ll be honest with you, this gives me a mixed feeling because I know some of them. I’ve met them. They are working, some have been here a long, long time. They broke the law to get here. Our government has broke the law to allow them to get here. So I think our government has some responsibility. Do you really think we can require them all to go home?
Duncan Hunter: Well, sure. I think we can. And the point is, going back to Mexico is not the end of the world. Mexico is a wonderful country. It has enormous natural resources. We have put billions of dollars into Mexico to give them an economic shot in the arm.
And you know something else, a lot of folks that come to the United States, who are here illegally, have homes in other countries. Now one reason politicians in Mexico City like the open border, is because people come across and send back billions of dollars. The last figure I saw was between 6 – 10 billion dollars a year, of money that they make in the United States to their real homes, in this case in Mexico. But other people come from lots of other countries. In fact in the year 2005 we apprehended, and these are just the folks we caught, we caught a 155 thousand people coming across the border from Mexico that weren’t just citizens of Mexico. They came from virtually every country in the world, including 1100 folks from communist China and a few folks from North Korea and Iran. So the idea that the guy that got smuggled into this country in December because he had an affective smuggler, has the right to have citizenship in the United States, I can’t accept that.
Once again, a whole lot of folks that are here have second homes or have original homes. To make them an American citizen would basically be giving them 2 citizenships. They would be having the citizenship in their original home, where they send their money and they would now have a citizenship in the United States. The problem with giving Amnesty is this, we gave Amnesty in 1986 for 3 million people. And we said that’s it. No one else can come across. The U.S. Senate put up a little stop sign and put it on the border. That stop sign was promptly run over with Goodyear Tires and you had 12 million people stampede for that border after the 1st Amnesty. If we give a second Amnesty, we will have a third wave of people rushing the border of the United States because that is human nature. You will have people coming over expecting the 3rd Amnesty. Just like people came over the 1st Amnesty saying I’ll come in now, 5, 6, 7 years from now they will have another one and I’ll be legalized. Once you abandon the rule of law you are in real trouble. There is nothing wrong with folks going home and then applying for admission back into the United States. Now if they come from a country where people are in danger of being killed if they go back and that happens sometimes. During the days of the Cold War, and before we brought down the Berlin Wall, there were some very dangerous places. There are still a few of them, where people can’t go back and they probably will be killed if they go back. And we give humanitarian exception for those folks. We have done a lot to spread freedom and economic prosperity around this world if they would take it up.
The other thing is, I think the politicians in Mexico City like the open border because it is a pressure release valve for them. If they don’t take care of their people if they don’t provide economic opportunity, and they don’t, than instead of their voters throwing them out of office they want people to vote with their feet and just leave the country. And that is what they do. They vote with their feet and leave the country and come to the United States. I think there is nothing wrong with letting that pressure build up and result in a changed political system that hopefully results in freedom for the people rather than have them vote with their feet and come to the United States and do another Amnesty.
Irving Baxter: You make wonderful points Congressman. The recent immigration bill that was defeated, I got the impression, that was, although I am not saying we should be for Amnesty I think we would have a huge problem, ….But, I don’t think it Amnesty is what killed that bill. A lot of people say it was an anti Amnesty vote and yet when Kay Bailey Hutchinson presented her amendment that people had to go home and apply and come back that amendment was defeated. It was killed that is not the reason the Senate killed this bill it was when the Balicus (?) Tester amendment came up. And that striped out of the bill, the Real ID provisions. That appears to be what killed that bill. Do you have any comments on that?
Duncan Hunter: You know, it’s hard to tell. Because when you have an amendment that comes up you may have a Senator that votes for the amendment even if he doesn’t agree with it on the basis that it will make the bill so ugly that the bill can’t pass. So it is very difficult to read the motives in the political cross currents when have a bill with a lot of amendments coming up. I think the Amnesty provisions did jam the senate switch boards and I think that’s the issue that convinced lots of Senators to take a second look at this one.
Irving Baxter: Just from Politics and Religion Listeners, we are on the air here everyday, we have huge sentiment against the Real ID Act and against registration issues. People really don’t want to go down that road. I don’t know what all the answer is; but I do definitely believe the fence is a huge answer and we are behind you all the way.
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Very nicely done, B4Ranch. BTTT
I used to think they were clueless. But logically, how could any rational person not get this. They do, but they have a reason to not listen. VOTES. Now, the way to get their constituents to vote them out is to simply put up a billboard or two saying “Your representative voted YES on the amnesty bill.” Are elections next year? Reserve your billboards now folks! Would Reid and Pelosi survive?
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