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To: lovecraft
" Has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have read here. Unfortunately all too common. But the winners do get to write the history books, so you just don't know any better."

So the losers couldn't write books? Every rationalization of historic crimes sinks to calling their opposition “ignorant” or worse.

Prior to the war, Southern states' supposed concern with states' rights didn’t restrain them from imposing federal demands that Northern states return runaway slaves. And early in the war, Alexander Stephens said slavery [rather than states' rights] was “the cornerstone of the Confederacy". He changed his mind later. And for all the confederacy's supposed concern with states' rights, their constitution denied states the right to interfere with federal protection of slavery. In other words - states 'rights extended only so far as to protect a state’s right to legalize slavery, not their right to outlaw it within their state borders.

If I lost a war for something as evil as slavery, I might find some comfort in attempts to wrap it in some noble cause too. But I hope I wouldn’t get sucked into believing it 150 years later and calling disbelievers ignorant.

And please don’t send me links to states' rights claims or I’ll just follow them up with links to holocaust deniers (giving each the equal attention they deserve).

129 posted on 07/12/2007 12:23:06 PM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: elfman2
My great great grandfather fought for states rights and the cause of freedom the largest slave owner in his county was a
Unionists he owned 95 slaves did not free his slaves till about the end of war put that in your pipe and smoke it!
130 posted on 07/12/2007 12:27:54 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: elfman2

The south fought for states rights and the casue of freedom

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/heritage/cw62.shtml

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/heritage/cw31.shtml

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/heritage/cw22.shtml


132 posted on 07/12/2007 12:55:34 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: elfman2

There were many African Americans who took up arms in the Confederate Army and fought for there homes and for the casue of states rights and freedom

http://civilwarhistory.com/_/blacks/Black%20in20%Gray.htm

http://www.civilwarhistory.com/_/blacks/Historic%20References.htm

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/heritage/blc57.shtml

Amos Rucker, Black Confederate

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/heritage/blc35.shtml


138 posted on 07/12/2007 1:11:39 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: elfman2

‘If I lost a war for something as evil as slavery, I might find some comfort in attempts to wrap it in some noble cause too. But I hope I wouldn’t get sucked into believing it 150 years later and calling disbelievers ignorant. ‘

This is a perfect example of whats meant about ‘winners writing the histories’.

The average Southerner wasn’t fighting for slavery. It was a huge issue, no denying it. But your point of view seems to be based on every single soldier in the CSA was a planation owner.

That simply wasn’t the case at all.


212 posted on 07/13/2007 9:07:37 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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