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New analysis counters claims that solar activity is linked to global warming
Guardian (England) ^ | July 11, 2007 | James Randerson

Posted on 07/11/2007 3:40:02 AM PDT by liberallarry

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To: docbnj; liberallarry; APFel
Unfortunately, the whole article is not available on line without an expensive subscription — only the abstract is shown.

This is the TimesSelect argument - if it's behind a copyright/pay wall, it can be safely ignored. I can't remember the last time I read a full MoDo article, and my life is no less rich for it. :-)

There are a couple of reasons why the TimesSelect argument works handily. Number one, the most obvious, is that the unwashed peasantry are not allowed to just up and handle the goods, and comment on them. Number two is the clincher: since there's one ONE legal copy, the TimesSelecters can change the original at their leisure, if need be. Look at the LATimes Thompson cowboy controversy this week if you need any further proof of the matter.

Conclusion: IGNORED!

101 posted on 07/11/2007 5:12:52 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: liberallarry
...and the Bush administration is dominated by such views.

What we have here (liblarry) is another clear case of someone who accuses others of what they themselves do.

There's a psychological term for this and I can never remember what it is.

102 posted on 07/11/2007 5:13:38 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: liberallarry

This paper is really in the bag for GW.


103 posted on 07/11/2007 5:15:22 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: liberallarry
You mean scientists who study climate? Gee, I don't know. Maybe they don't read the same comic books you do. What do you think?

There didn't seem to be a whole lot of discussion of the Roman Warm Period or the Medieval Warm Period in their "deliberations".

Are these scientists some of the money-trolling Medieval Warm Period deniers? Methinks so...

104 posted on 07/11/2007 5:15:39 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: drlevy88
A field of study whose consequences are as profound as this deserves to happen in the public domain

Yes: we don't want an anointed priesthood to hand scientific truth out to the peons. We want the facts and figures, thanks very much.

In the article the Guardian reports (in a horrifed tone!) that 56% of the public still believe that there's a debate about AGW - despite the best efforts of the govt to educate them! Chilling and condescending - classic UK Guardian! These socialists want their scientists to be treated with reverence and unquestioning obedience - the same way they want to be treated themselves.

105 posted on 07/11/2007 5:15:43 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: liberallarry
...has firmly put the notion to rest.

Notice how the reporter acolyte states this with absolute authority......

106 posted on 07/11/2007 5:16:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: MojoWire

Projection, my FRiend.


107 posted on 07/11/2007 5:16:35 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: agere_contra
I can't work out what you're talking about. Is it your contention that solar insolation ISN'T the primary factor in global temperature?

My contention is that the scientists are true professionals, not laymen. Which means they are aware of, and have considered, any and all arguments which laymen can raise.

Early in the dispute about the role of man's activity in global warming I tried to follow the technical arguments...and couldn't. Not necessarily because I was not capable of mastering the science (although that's a distinct possibility) but because doing so would consume far more time and effort than a I cared to dispose of.

So I'm reduced to following the arguments in laymens' terms...and I tend to feel most others are too...or should be if they had any sense.

108 posted on 07/11/2007 5:17:02 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
That’s why they’re called professionals.

That only means they get paid for doing whatever they do. It doesn't say anything about their competence, honesty, or impartiality.

109 posted on 07/11/2007 5:17:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Without the fence, deporting illegals is like shoveling water.)
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To: liberallarry

Who paid for the study?


110 posted on 07/11/2007 5:17:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (This space for rent.)
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To: MojoWire

projection


111 posted on 07/11/2007 5:17:21 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Red Badger

Hey, Randerson’s prolly got a degree in “jernalism”, so THERE!


112 posted on 07/11/2007 5:17:39 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: true_blue_texican
Yummy graphs, contra, thanks.

All thanks should go to the American taxpayers (so, right back at you Tex!)

113 posted on 07/11/2007 5:18:14 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: liberallarry

The world has no shortage of professional bunkum.


114 posted on 07/11/2007 5:18:24 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: saganite

Hey I moved my BBQ out from under the weather station!!!


115 posted on 07/11/2007 5:19:20 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (This space for rent.)
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To: listenhillary
One of NASA’s schemes to deal with GW is to put a giant reflector in geo orbit to reflect the sun’s energy.
116 posted on 07/11/2007 5:20:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (This space for rent.)
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To: Timocrat
Is this a peer reviewed study and who were the peers ?

Two renowned climatologists named Marx and Lenin, that's who you insolent capitalist pig.

They have a suggestion for an economic policy that will reduce man-made CO2 emissions to almost zero. It calls for a slight modification of the West's socio-economic system, but they are confident that the masses will soon adjust to it as they become more accustomed to wearing leg chains.

117 posted on 07/11/2007 5:21:08 AM PDT by epow ( "The more guns you take out of society the fewer murders you will have" Rudy--6/20/00)
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To: agere_contra
Yes: we don't want an anointed priesthood to hand scientific truth out to the peons. We want the facts and figures, thanks very much.

I take it you're complaining about the cost of a subscription to the publications of the Royal Society...while also complaining about government subsidies for scientists.

There's no free lunch, friend.

118 posted on 07/11/2007 5:21:19 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: mad_as_he$$

OK, that’s the mirror. Now where’s the smoke? :-)


119 posted on 07/11/2007 5:22:40 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: epow
Two renowned climatologists named Marx and Lenin, that's who you insolent capitalist pig.

Oink! Now I intend to go and commit commerce.

120 posted on 07/11/2007 5:25:02 AM PDT by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras Mr Blackmun)
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