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The War About the War
realclearpolitics.com ^ | July 10, 2007 | Herbert Meyer

Posted on 07/10/2007 1:45:05 PM PDT by neverdem

The 9-11 attacks did more than start a war; they started a war about the war. No sooner had the World Trade towers collapsed and the Pentagon burst into flames than two perceptions of the threat began competing for the public's support:

Perception One: We're at War

For the third time in history Islam - or, more precisely, its most radical element - has launched a war whose objective is the destruction of Western civilization. Our survival is at stake, and despite its imperfections we believe that Western civilization is worth defending to the death. Moreover, in the modern world - where a small number of people can so easily kill a large number of people - we cannot just play defense; sooner or later that strategy would bring another 9-11. This conflict really is a clash of civilizations whose root cause is Islam's incompatibility with the modern world. So we must fight with everything we've got against the terrorist groups and against those governments on whose support they rely. If the Cold War was "World War III," this is World War IV. We must win it, at whatever cost.

Perception Two: We're Reaping What We've Sowed

There are quite a few people in the world who just don't like the United States and some of our allies because of how we live and, more precisely, because of the policies we pursue in the Mideast and elsewhere in the world. Alas, a small percentage of these people express their opposition through acts of violence. While we sometimes share their opinion of our values and our policies, we cannot condone their methods. Our objective must be to bring the level of political violence down to an acceptable level. The only way to accomplish this will be to...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: herbertmeyer; herbmeyer; islam; marines

1 posted on 07/10/2007 1:45:07 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Look - no matter where it comes from there is an Islamic driven war against the West.

The real question is: What are we going to do about it?


2 posted on 07/10/2007 2:44:03 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: neverdem

3 posted on 07/10/2007 2:48:53 PM PDT by Gritty (When Democrats say bring the troops home, they are really saying bring the war home-Alan Keyes)
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To: Tzimisce

“What are we going to do about it?”
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The politicians, elected and otherwise, are making hay while the sun shines!


4 posted on 07/10/2007 2:49:06 PM PDT by gunnyg
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5 posted on 07/11/2007 10:35:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem; intenseracer; 2ndDivisionVet; Lurker; roaddog727; MizSterious; Tainan; AliVeritas; ...
It is the proponents of Perception #2 that enthusiatically disseminate the enemy's propaganda.

In the aftermath of the next mass casualty event on US soil, the Jacksonians who kept their powder dry and prepared themselves and their loved ones for the ensuing societal meltdown will not be kind to the proponents of Perception #2.

6 posted on 07/11/2007 11:12:25 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: neverdem
"Or, it may be that history will judge the President to have been a failure because he responded to 9-11 as a politician rather than as a leader."

Always a dangerous path. It's what happened with Vietnam, and it's what's happening here. But the writer is somewhat mistaken--history can be as slanted as a NYT article, and I have no doubt that today's liberal historians will decimate President Bush, while singing the praises of the traitorous, womanizing, lying President Clinton.

7 posted on 07/12/2007 6:28:49 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


8 posted on 07/12/2007 6:39:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tzimisce

Suggestions?


9 posted on 07/12/2007 7:41:20 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: neverdem

“Yet he hasn’t done things that a president who truly believes that we’re at war should have done. For instance, in the aftermath of 9-11 he didn’t ask Congress for a declaration of war, didn’t bring back the draft, and didn’t put the US economy on a wartime footing. A president at war would have taken out Iran’s government after overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan — and then sent 500,000 troops into Iraq, rather than just enough troops to remove Saddam Hussein but not enough to stabilize that country. And a president at war would have long since disposed of Syria’s murderous regime and helped the Israelis wipe out Hezbollah.

Study history, and you quickly learn that oftentimes events and the responses they generate look different a hundred years after they happen than they look at the time. It may be that history will judge that President Bush performed heroically, doing the very best that anyone could do given the two incompatible perceptions about the conflict that have divided public opinion and raised the level of partisanship in Washington to such a poisonous level. Or, it may be that history will judge the President to have been a failure because he responded to 9-11 as a politician rather than as a leader.”

I have said this for years and years ... one of my biggest complaints was that in the aftermath of 9/11 we dod not have a serious enough debate about who the enemy was and what we were going to fight and that we didn’t declare war and prepare the country.

Using the “middle ground” approach sent the American public back into the “all is well pop culture” mode instead of stealing them for the fight ahead. We, as a culture, have short memories and because the government did not “mobilize” the coountry, as it were, the government is paying the price. Back in the 1940’s, the government did a good job preparring the people ... and kept reminding them over and over and over what the fight was about. Heck, they even used Hollywood to keep up the reminders ... look at war time Warner Brothers cartoons and wartime movies. The governemnt and war department was heavily involved in these projects.

I wholeheartedly believe we are in the first case, a real war with an enemy that wants to kill us ... and God help us if they obtain the means to do so in mass.

But, we have not been prepared for such a fight.


10 posted on 07/12/2007 7:53:18 AM PDT by Mac94
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11 posted on 07/13/2007 1:24:03 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Mac94

“Since the 9-11 attacks, President Bush has been trying to split the difference. It’s obvious that he, personally, subscribes to Perception One. Just read his formal speeches about the conflict, such as those he’s given to Congress and at venues such as West Point. They are superb and often brilliant analyses of what he calls the War on Terror. Yet he hasn’t done things that a president who truly believes that we’re at war should have done. For instance, in the aftermath of 9-11 he didn’t ask Congress for a declaration of war, didn’t bring back the draft, and didn’t put the US economy on a wartime footing. A president at war would have taken out Iran’s government after overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan — and then sent 500,000 troops into Iraq, rather than just enough troops to remove Saddam Hussein but not enough to stabilize that country. And a president at war would have long since disposed of Syria’s murderous regime and helped the Israelis wipe out Hezbollah.”

While I agree with some of the gist of the article, the author engages in wonderful 20/20 Monday morning quarterbacking. After seeing how things didn’t go smoothly, it becomes very easy to suggest alternate plans that will never be tested by reality.

It is very likely that had Pres. Bush done everything that was suggested by the author - the Islamic world might have interpreted our actions has hegemonic and empire building, and a total arousal of a large Islamic movement to resist the total aggression of the U.S. The results could be far more catastrophic than what has currently happened.

Ultimately, the Iraqi people and the entire Islamic world can see that the U.S. seeks to offer the Iraqi people, the Afghan people and others a chance for liberty and a government that is representative of the people, rather than oppressing the people. As some analyst suggested, the U.S. has given the people of Iraq and Afghanistan a chance for freedoms, and only they can finally win or loose the battle. The US, with all its might, can only offer these peoples a chance to succeed (or fail) - but the success or failures are ultimately theirs. Thus far, we have done an excellent job of giving them the opportunity. Mistakes have been made, but the mistakes have been because we don’t want to be overly aggressive and cause unnecessary civilian casualties.

Any real analysis of past wars would show a record of more mistakes and errors compared to what we have experienced in this war. Perfect - no way ...but the statement that no plan survives first contact with the enemy still remains valid. It is easy to criticize the mistakes - but it also becomes necessary to recognize all the successes, and there have been many!!!

Mike


12 posted on 07/13/2007 8:48:25 PM PDT by Vineyard
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