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Document Rental by Illegals Vexes Authorities Could allow illegals to work indefinitely
woai.com ^ | 7/8/07 | Jim Foryth

Posted on 07/09/2007 2:21:39 PM PDT by westcoastwillieg

1200 WOAI news has learned that a fast growing racket among illegal immigrants threatens to derail any effort to include a 'tamper proof identification card' into any part of an immigration reform plan.

Officials tell 1200 WOAI news that for between $200 and $800, an illegal immigrant can easily rent the legal documents of a legal U.S. resident.

The illegal rents the Social Security card, U.S. Work Permit, and occasionally even a birth certificate from a U.S. hospital or state drivers license long enough to present them to an employer. If the employer checks them out, they come up legal because they are, in fact, legal.

Adelina Pruneda of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who agreed to speak about the general problem of identity abuse among illegals, says it is a growing worry.

"The criminal organization sells a Social Security card along with a drivers license and a green car, all together, and they charge anywhere between $200 and $600 depending on the authenticity of the entire document."

Officials tell 1200 WOAI news that for the purposes of employment, the illegal simply continues to use the name on the rented documents, which is usually a Latin American name. The renter then moves on to another city or another neighborhood so there is seldom any conflict between the two identities. One police officer familiar with the scam told 1200 WOAI news it is almost impossible for law enforcement to catch on unless the illegal commits another crime, like drunk driving, where fingerprints might be compared.

"If this guy lives a righteous life, and never has any reason to be fingerprinted, there is no way we can ever catch him," the officer said.

If a U.S. birth certificate is included in the rented documents, the illegal could obtain a U.S. passport, although it is impossible to tell whether that has occurred.

Pruneda says the employer would never have any reason to suspect fraud.

"It wasn't a fake Social Security number, it was a real Social Security number, it just didn't belong to that person," Pruneda says.

She says ICE and other agencies are doing what they can to explain to employers the intracies of document fraud.

"We are constantly working with all different companies to make sure they have an idea of what to look out for," she said.

This growing problem could cause serious complications for efforts to include a 'temper proof' i.d. card as part of immigration reform.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; biometric; idcard; illegal; immigrantlist
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Any ‘tamper proof i.d. card’ that doesn’t include biometric data isn’t tamper proof.
1 posted on 07/09/2007 2:21:41 PM PDT by westcoastwillieg
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To: westcoastwillieg

Of course


2 posted on 07/09/2007 2:22:51 PM PDT by bybybill (HUNT RINOS IN THE PRIMARIES, SKIN RATS IN THE FALL)
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To: westcoastwillieg

I would think that 10 guys using the same name and Social Security number across America would set off bells at the IRS office.


3 posted on 07/09/2007 2:29:40 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: westcoastwillieg
Just become legal Americans... the fast and easy way!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 07/09/2007 2:30:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: westcoastwillieg

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

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5 posted on 07/09/2007 2:30:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Indianhead Division: Second To None!)
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To: Taxbilly

Yeah, It should but they want the money rolling in. They don’t care, besides it’s secret - they can’t tell you if anyone else is using your SSN.


6 posted on 07/09/2007 2:36:50 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: westcoastwillieg

You know what gets me about all this illegal talk, is NOBODY talks about Mexico getting ITS act together! All you hear about is the “US has to do this, has to do that” what about MEXICO? Just what the hell is going on down there?

I use to work with iilegal Mexicans about 17 years ago doing landscaping who told me it`s so corrupt down there, if you are robbed or if even a family member is murdered, you have to pay off the cops to have them do something. I assume this corruption is still going on? It sounds like an example of liberals running amok just like New York city here in the 1970`s.


7 posted on 07/09/2007 2:38:53 PM PDT by Screamname (On this date in history; Al Gore invents the Algorithm)
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To: Taxbilly

You would think so. Go to your state employment agency. There you will see illegals pulling out 3 social security cards to see which will work. I swear it happened here in Tx.


8 posted on 07/09/2007 2:41:47 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: westcoastwillieg
But wouldn’t the person who rented out his SS number be responsible for paying the income tax of the person who rented his documents? What is the person who rented the documents bought a gun and then killed someone in a robbery?
9 posted on 07/09/2007 2:42:14 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
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To: westcoastwillieg

ID theft should be a federal felony offense.


10 posted on 07/09/2007 2:44:15 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Amnesty GOP members are betting on a Clinton nomination, to get their support back!)
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To: westcoastwillieg
Impossible to catch my a$$.

Some adult Mex shows up with all that stuff to work but can't speak a word of freaking English and the employer doesn't know he's an illegal?!? That is utter bull*&%$.

This is more claptrap to 'prove' that any enforcement effort is futile.

11 posted on 07/09/2007 2:50:14 PM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: westcoastwillieg

I think this article was posted earlier today.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863084/posts

Exclusive: Document ‘Rental’ By Illegals Vexes Authorities [BOHICA]
woai.com ^ | 07/08/09 | Jim Forsyth

Posted on 07/09/2007 9:43:01 AM PDT by Froufrou


12 posted on 07/09/2007 2:51:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: westcoastwillieg

No matter what kind or how good of a mouse trap you make the mice/Hispanics in this case will always find a way to get around it. Even a Biometric chip could be counterfeited. It appears to be a loose loose situation no matter what we do.


13 posted on 07/09/2007 2:55:44 PM PDT by Shots (If you see Known Illegal Immigrants it is your civic duty to report them)
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To: Taxbilly
"I would think that 10 guys using the same name and Social Security number across America would set off bells at the IRS office."

It would if that was checked. I doubt if it was checked.

14 posted on 07/09/2007 3:01:39 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: westcoastwillieg
I spent a semester in Washington DC. As a broke college kid/intern, I often bought lunch from a hot dog stand on Vermont Avenue, about one and a half blocks from the White House.

The stand was operated by five or six different guys, all Arabs. The operators of the stand all displayed the required health card from the DC health authority, but it was the same card for every different operator. The name on it was Ackbar Said.

One day I asked one of the regular operators what his name was. All I could understand of his reply was "Haji," buy I am sure that he wasn't Ackbar Said, and I bet none of the other operators were Ackbar Saids either. For the rest of the year, we called the hot dog stand "Haji's."

Of course that was in the bad old days of the Marion Barry Administration. I'm sure the government of the District of Columbia is not so corrupt/incompetent these days, as to allow half a dozen potential security risks to sell hot dogs next to the White House, while sharing the same health card.

</sarcasm>

15 posted on 07/09/2007 3:08:27 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Sybeck1
ID theft should be a federal felony offense.

I agree.

16 posted on 07/09/2007 3:11:32 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Conservatives are educated. Liberals are indoctrinated.)
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To: westcoastwillieg

Maybe employers should start requiring to see everyone’s ID each month


17 posted on 07/09/2007 3:15:20 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Sybeck1
ID theft should be a federal felony offense.

Agreed. To include making, selling, or buying fake ID, taking bribes to issue false ID, and renting out or renting ID. Prison terms of years, not months.

And anyone making, selling, or renting false ID ought to be considered an accessory to any crimes committed using that ID. If someone buys a fake driver's license and uses it to drive to a bank robbery, the seller of the license should be guilty of the robbery.

18 posted on 07/09/2007 3:21:18 PM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London, Salt Lake City)
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To: Taxbilly
I would think that 10 guys using the same name and Social Security number across America would set off bells at the IRS office.

It does but the IRS doesn't give a damned. They get more money that way. Just another reason to do away with the IRS.

19 posted on 07/09/2007 3:22:05 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Screamname
From an article on NewsMax that I received via e-mail today.

The national borders of the United States have been forever erased. While that scenario may sound far-fetched, critics of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) warn that future could be here sooner than anyone realizes.

President Bush, Mexican President Vincente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin informally agreed to set up the SPP in 2005.

Not so well known is the fact that supporters of the NAU concept slipped an initiative into the recently defeated immigration reform act. Largely unnoticed amidst the amnesty furor that ultimately sunk the Immigration Bill was the statement, "It is the sense of Congress that the United States and Mexico should accelerate the implementation of the Partnership for Prosperity to help generate economic growth and improve the standard of living in Mexico."

The bill called for measures to boost the economy of Mexico, including:

# U.S. support for Mexico, to strengthen its education and training programs. # A call for better health care for "poor and underserved" people in Mexico. # And U.S. assistance to "establish a program with the private sector to cover the health care needs of Mexican nationals temporarily employed in the United States." # The bill also called for U.S. assistance to Mexican businesses and government to eliminate corruption, which it termed, "the single biggest obstacle to development."

"This was the first attempt by the SPP to go public, and it failed," says Dr. Jerome Corsi, author of The Late Great USA. They thought nobody would notice. They were wrong."

Corsi called the sPP "a coup d-etat by bureaucratic means," adding that it works underhandedly like a shadow government.

"It is an attempt to turn North America into something like the European Economic Community," he says, "which began with economic cooperation and expanded eventually to include a common market, and then a full-scale regional government replacing, in many ways, the governing powers of the member nations."

20 posted on 07/09/2007 3:25:53 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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