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To: Sherman Logan
I haven't run across a single historical incident of intentional murder of Mormon women or young children, with the exception of the murder of a 10-year old boy at Haun's Mill.

What version of the Haun's Mill massacre have you been reading? Here is the information from a website (the Church of Christ owns Haun's Mill now.) (Some of this information is from the Church of Christ's website, formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Some of it came from my great-great-great grandfather's journal.) Story of Haun's Mill A Tragic Episode in American Religious History

230 Missourians against 35 men in a mill? 17 died, 19 escaped, and of those 19, only four weren't shot. Three boys were hiding and shot.

3 Missourians were injured. The mob looted the mill and tossed 14 dead bodies into a well. (3 of the wounded Mormons later died.) Within days, the survivors of the Haun's Mill Massacre were driven out of the state of Missouri.

The saddest part about the whole affair was that it could have been avoided. The Mormons who lived around Haun's Mill were urged to go to Far West where there would be safety in numbers. However, most wanted to stay and guard their property and Haun wanted to guard his mill. So they asked the captain of the Mormon Militia for his advice. He told them to go to Far West and abandon their homes and businesses. They didn't like that answer and so the captain told them to go ask Joseph Smith. They did so and received the same answer (go to Far West.) Sad to say, they did not follow Joseph Smith's advice, returned to Haun's Mill and were slaughtered.

Haun's Mill Massacre
Certain deaths were particularly offensive to the Saints. Seventy-eight-year-old Thomas McBride surrendered his musket to militiaman Jacob Rogers, who shot him, then hacked his body with a corn knife. William Reynolds discovered ten-year-old Sardius Smith hiding under the bellows and blew the top of the child's head off.
An estimated three hundred Church members lost their lives during these troubled times in Missouri when the Missouri settlers drove them out of the state at gunpoint. After a century and a half of study and reflection, it can be seen that some of their sorrows could have been avoided by the use of more discretion and meekness. The native Missourians were frightened by the talk of the Mormons saying that the 2nd Coming of Christ would be in Jackson County.
206 posted on 07/10/2007 5:18:03 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
I didn't say that Haun's Mill wasn't a great tragedy. I said that the women and young children there, with the exception of the 10-year old who was murdered, were not massacred.

Three boys were hiding and shot.

How old were these boys and were they combatants?

As I'm sure you know, there were atrocities committed by both sides in Missouri. The Missourians committed more, but that was because they had far greater numbers, and had greater opportunity to do so.

It is notable that Mormons make great play out of the "extermination order" issued by the Gov, but seldom mention that his order was in direct response to an inflammatory Mormon sermon threatening extermination of the Missourians. It is also notable that the Mormons were NOT exterminated, despite losing the war and being at the mercy of the Missourians.

It appears to me that the gentile women and children murdered at Mountain Meadows, in the most atrocious and treacherous way imaginable, are a multiple of the Mormon women and children intentionally murdered by their gentile opponents in all the years of conflict in MO and IL.

As stated earlier, I agree that many women and children doubtless died as a result of hardships induced by being expelled from their homes, and that some may have died as collateral damage. But that is quite different from intentionally shooting down women and children, as I'm sure you agree.

An estimated three hundred Church members lost their lives during these troubled times in Missouri when the Missouri settlers drove them out of the state at gunpoint.

I've been looking for years for a documented compilation of these deaths: who, when, where and the circumstances of each. Do you have a source for such a compilation? Surely somebody has compiled one.

207 posted on 07/11/2007 5:41:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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