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To: Shaun_MD

But if God created us, knowing what our choices are going to be, and cannot be wrong...doesn’t that mean we must do what He knows we are going to do? Where is the freewill part? How can we really choose, if the outcome is already known? Doesn’t that mean He created us, without the ability to do anything other than what He designed us to do? Wouldn’t this idea of freewill, just be an illusion?


38 posted on 07/06/2007 9:32:54 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
Just because God, being sovereign, omnipotent, and omniscient, knows what each of us is going to do and knows how it is all going to turn out, does not mean that we don't have the freedom to choose our actions and make our own decisions.

It's almost impossible for us to comprehend, because of our finite minds and severely limited knowledge about things, but the fact is God gave each of us the freedom to choose to accept Him or reject Him, and gives us the freedom to, apart from Him, choose our own course in life. And we also have the freedom to live with and sometimes suffer the consequences of some of the choices we make as a result of the free will given to us by God.

46 posted on 07/06/2007 9:39:36 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: stuartcr

Your comment is illogical. The “knowledge” of something is not the same as the “manipulation” of something. Just because God knows how we have chosen does not at all mean he has made the decision for us.


48 posted on 07/06/2007 9:41:36 AM PDT by Honor above all (I'm only here to help.)
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To: stuartcr

“But if God created us, knowing what our choices are going to be, and cannot be wrong...doesn’t that mean we must do what He knows we are going to do? Where is the freewill part? How can we really choose, if the outcome is already known? Doesn’t that mean He created us, without the ability to do anything other than what He designed us to do? Wouldn’t this idea of freewill, just be an illusion?”

Great philosophical thought my friend. The more I came to know God/Christ direct, the more simple it became and I realized organized religion is sometimes more hinderence then help in interpretation of scripture or God’s personality for that matter.

Here is what I know - God claims in the bible He knows you before you were born. I agree, our DNA code carries half of how we will behave 100% of how we will be physically formed at the moment of conception. The second part is variables and prediction. Think of predicting the weather. With 500 variables you can predict the weather about 85% accuracy. If you had let’s say a Quantum computer (now proven theoretically possible to build) you could feed 500,000 variables and predict the weather 50 years out with 99% accuracy. Who and what is God? The greatest mathmetician and coder to ever exist and who will ever exist. So indeed, we all have free will, but the variables (prophecy) at God’s disposal about our earth, people etc. is probably in the septillions.


186 posted on 07/06/2007 10:51:24 AM PDT by quant5
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To: stuartcr
Doesn’t that mean He created us, without the ability to do anything other than what He designed us to do? Wouldn’t this idea of freewill, just be an illusion?

As I told you before, we are free to choose and we will always choose against God every single time ...unless God intervenes.

295 posted on 07/06/2007 12:52:57 PM PDT by Raycpa
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