Senator Joseph Lieberman's editorial
It's a bizarre world when self-styled "conservative" freepers think Lieberman - a Democrat - is an oracle, while they denounce any Republican, no matter how conservative, who thinks the no-win, no-end war in Iraq is a mistake. If Goldwater were alive, he'd be furious about this no-end war. Reagan - he would never have started it to begin with. He was into winning wars - the Cold War - without invading countries.
I think you have been listening to Ron Paul too much. Better face it. This stand in Iraq is the test of our metal. George Orwell once said that “The fastest way to end a war is to lose it.” Is that what we want to do? Then, the tactic that they have played in Iraq will be played forever. We need to learn how to win the asymmetrical war because it can be played wherever it will hurt us the most.
Read Senator Lieberman’s editorial. Tell us where it is wrong.
Reagan - he would never have started it to begin with. He was into winning wars - the Cold War - without invading countries.
Ummm... don't forget about
Reagan bombing Libya... He wasn't totally adverse to using force when necessary. To say that you know exactly how Reagan, or even Goldwater would've responded to this situation we find ourselves in is pretty bold of you, IMHO. This really is a completely new situation we find ourselves in faced with fighting against networks like al-Qaeda and others. This is not some political idealogy, it is a fanatic, radical, religiously motivated group of terrorists bent on killing anyone who is not like them, and who will not submit to their 'divine authority'.
If you think Reagan would've backed down... well, I personally think Reagan of all people would have been a powerful force, and voice against our enemies in this. AND, he would be able to get the point across to people who have NO CLUE how big of a danger this WORLD war really is.
Also, there were many things in play that brought about the end of the Cold War -- you make it sound too simplistic, IMHO. The reason we won the Cold War is because the USSR KNEW that they could not beat us, and were probably on the verge of a revolution if they didn't come to terms with the way things were going in their own country. There was a lot of pressure from around the world to end the Cold War.
As far as Iraq... There really is a war being fought across the globe. Should we stick our heads in the sand and wait till the Islamic Radicals take over Europe like the Nazis did in WWII??? What about the civilians in Iraq we have dedicated and sacrificed so much for? Do they not deserve a chance to live Free -- or should we just let the Islamic Radicals take over and create another dictatorship with Sharia Law as the basis for their society? [Please notice the terrorists are attacking the civilians a lot of the time... Do you think that will change if we abandon Iraq's people -- Answer: NO, it would only get worse until the terrorists gained complete control. Honestly, we owe it to the Iraqi people to complete the mission. All of you who speak this way talk about saving lives -- that of civilians as well... How can you not see that your ideas of how to end this thing {Bringing the troops home RIGHT NOW) would result in a massacre of the Iraqi people, and might even embolden these radicals in other areas around the world? You don't negotiate or give in to bullies, or they will take full advantage of you, and in the case of terrorists that will cost way more lives than those you are purporting to want to save.]
Also, it really is better for us to be fighting them over there, and not here. If you think that the terrorists are going to forget the Jihad they have been fighting against us for the last 20 years if we pull our soldiers out of Iraq, I'm sorry to say, but that is incredibly naive. We are VERY fortunate that we have not had another incident like 9/11 yet. There is a real threat -- it's not just fear-mongering, war-mongering, propoganda, or paranoia.
What's done is done, and no matter how you feel about getting into Iraq -- we are THERE. Now is the time to figure out how best to resolve the situation -- not give up and desert those who we vowed to help.
It's a real shame that people in this world still think appeasement is good policy -- please remember what happened in WWII, if you think ignoring this problem will make it go away.
It's a bizarre world when self-styled "conservative" freepers think Lieberman - a Democrat - is an oracle, while they denounce any Republican, no matter how conservative, who thinks the no-win, no-end war in Iraq is a mistake. One more thing: If you were using your head as something other than a hatrack you'd know that although Joe Lieberman is a lib, people like Domenici and Doolittle couldn't hold his jock on national security issues. He wants to win this thing, and a bunch of crybabies want to lose it--but slowly, don't forget they're good patriots because they want to lose it in early 2008 instead of this month--and you trust them solely because they have an 'R' after their name.
People like you don't deserve to be defended by the guys saving your sorry ass in Iraq right now.