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Rudy Giuliani Flip-Flops, Now Won't Answer Roe Abortion Question
Life News ^ | 7/4/07 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 07/04/2007 10:37:15 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Soul Seeker; wagglebee

Flipping back and forth on issues is a calculated Rooty strategy-——definitely not a product of the jerk “forgetting” what he said, or “changing back,” etc.

Clinton was famous for triangulating issues-—pandering to opposite voting blocs.

Now watch Rooty quadrillionating issues.....pitching pieces to every voter on the political spectrum.

Rooty figures not ALL voters are not tuned in at the same time-——so that blocs of disparate voting blocs will think he stands with them, as they enter the voting booth.


41 posted on 07/05/2007 9:54:36 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Soul Seeker
"I think a conservative strict constructionist judge could come to either conclusion," he added.

No, they could not.

I did a historical news search on the term "strict constructionist" with respect to Presidential campaigns and the Supreme Court. Interestingly, the first person to widely use the term was Richard Nixon, describing what he would look for in SCOTUS candidates. Nixon appointed Henry Blackmun, the author of Roe v. Wade.

42 posted on 07/05/2007 10:05:58 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee

What a fake-phony-fraud. This guy is as bad as any Democrat.


43 posted on 07/05/2007 10:07:14 AM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: wagglebee; Reagan Man; Spiff; airborne; ellery

Ping to #42, FYI


44 posted on 07/05/2007 10:09:42 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee
Bizarre behaviour from Giuliani. He must be panicking to do something this ill-advised.
45 posted on 07/05/2007 10:15:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: calcowgirl; Reagan Man; Spiff; airborne; ellery

The bottom line is that NO president, conservative or liberal, is going to KNOWINGLY appoint a Supreme Court justice with a philosophy that is totally opposite his own.

Roody can say whatever he wants, but why would he appoint anyone who he knows he doesn’t agree with? Would the ‘Rats believe a pro-life ‘Rat who promised to appiont pro-abortion justices?

Roody miscalculated some time ago when he and his advisors decided that conservatives would be willing to overlook the fact that he is a flaming liberal and just focus on terrorism. They didn’t seem to understand that there would be CONSERVATIVES in the race who were even stronger on terrorism (real border security) than Roody.


46 posted on 07/05/2007 10:21:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham
Bizarre behaviour from Giuliani.

INCORRECT! Roody is "bizarre" and that makes this behavior totally consistent with everything we've ever seen from him.

47 posted on 07/05/2007 10:22:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; ellery
The bottom line is that NO president, conservative or liberal, is going to KNOWINGLY appoint a Supreme Court justice with a philosophy that is totally opposite his own.

I totally agree with you. My only point was that those who say he indeed would appoint a "strict constructionist" should find little comfort in use of the term.

I believe Rudy has shown such extreme mis-judgment in prior appointments and associations, that he should never be allowed to set foot in the White House, let alone be master of the residence and country. Let's take another look at some of his prior hiring decisions, those who were prosecuted and/or resigned in the midst of scandal.

• Bernie Kerik
• Russell Harding
• Richard Roberts (Vernon Jordan's son-in-law)
• Alan Placa
• Michael Carey
• Louis Carbonetti
• Guy Velella
• Anthony Serra
• Anthony Schembri
• John Picciano
• Raul Russi
• Louis Gelormino
• Leonard Piccoli
• Leon Goldstein

48 posted on 07/05/2007 10:55:07 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee

LOL! OK, you have a point there. :)


49 posted on 07/05/2007 10:59:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: calcowgirl

That’s interesting! Did Nixon believe that “strict constructionist” meant something other than a justice who would interpret the Constitution strictly on what it clearly says, based on what we know of the Founders’ intents? Or did Blackmun stray from what Nixon thought he would do?


50 posted on 07/05/2007 11:04:10 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: ellery

From what I read, Nixon gave him the “strict constructionist” label to match his campaign pledge, but Blakmun rejected it. Blackmun definitely evolved.... moving more and more away from originalist type thinking. Roe v. Wade, the death penalty, the environment. He did a heck of a lot of damage during his comparatively short stint on the bench. (IMO, being a Harvard Law graduate and student of Felix Frankfurter should have been a clue).

Correction to my prior post: Harry, not Henry.


51 posted on 07/05/2007 11:38:58 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee

Rudy the tapdancer


52 posted on 07/05/2007 11:39:10 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: wagglebee
>>>>> ... there would be CONSERVATIVES in the race who were even stronger on terrorism (real border security) than Roody.

Absolutely!

Rooty Toot ain't the only liberal who supports the war effort. Joe Lieberman supports the WOT and the battle for Iraq, but conservatives aren't about to nominate Independent Joe to be the GOP nominee. That Hollyweird liberal Dennis Miller also supports the WOT and while he may be a favorite with SOME FReeper`s, he's still a liberal!

To all the Rockefeller Republicans and conservative sell-outs --- Rudy Giuliani is not gonna be the GOP nominee for 2008.

53 posted on 07/05/2007 3:07:17 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: calcowgirl

Fantastic research, and excellent points — thanks!


54 posted on 07/05/2007 10:29:46 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: wagglebee
It is my understanding that abortions decreased in NYC when Rudy was mayor. Perhaps you don’t like his personal stance, neither do I. However if he reduces abortion, it is much better than having a Pro Life / Strict Constitutionalist who does noting and lets the abomination of abortion continue. I do not see the administration going against “Tiller the Killer” but hope they do.
55 posted on 07/06/2007 4:06:18 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each ther with respect.)
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It is my understanding that abortions decreased in NYC when Rudy was mayor. Perhaps you don’t like his personal stance, neither do I. However if he reduces abortion, it is much better than having a Pro Life / Strict Constitutionalist who does noting and lets the abomination of abortion continue.

Correlation is not causation.

Abortions nationwide went down when Bill Clinton was in the White House. That doesn't mean we should be supporting Billy Boy, either.

56 posted on 07/17/2007 11:57:48 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball

Wow! I am underwhelmed. I guess I have to vote for the non-candidate Thompson who is preselected by the “Party”. Oh, I forgot, this is a private WWW site and the only opinion accepted is the Rudi is out. Sorry, but the man is honest, not a fraud and he ain’t no dummy.


57 posted on 07/18/2007 8:56:47 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each ther with respect.)
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Wow! I am underwhelmed.

I see. That's your best response to facts? You can't challenge their veracity, so you're "underwhelmed"?

Sorry, but the man is honest, not a fraud and he ain’t no dummy.

I never said he was a dummy. But Rudy is demonstrably not honest, unless you're willing to believe he "forgot" that his pal Kerik was under investigation for Mob ties when he promoted him for Police Commissioner and head of Homeland Security.

Frankly, I don't care who you vote for. I'm very wary of Fred Thompson myself, not knowing what he really stands for. But let's be honest about the declared candidates, shall we?

58 posted on 07/19/2007 6:41:27 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball
"I'm very wary of Fred Thompson myself" At least we agree on one thing. Time will tell. You are right in that Rudi should have known about his buddy, but it wouldn't be the first time that he has been let down or betrayed by a confidant... that goes for most of us as well.

..."The Dinkins campaign's hardest strike came from the Mayor's campaign manager, Bill Lynch. He asked the United States attorneys in the Eastern and Southern districts to investigate allegations raised in The Village Voice that an Internal Revenue Service agent assigned to Mr. Giuliani when he was United States Attorney in Manhattan resorted to dirty tricks in the late 1980's to smear Mayor Edward I. Koch and Mr. Dinkins. Mr. Lynch called the allegations "serious and substantial" and said they moved beyond partisan politics."

The "agent" was a manager. Calling him an "agent" is to belittle agents inappropriately. He was ingratiating himself to Rudy, was not directed by Rudy and is an idiot, IMHO... certainly not a person connected to LCN but a disappointment nevertheless.

59 posted on 07/19/2007 10:25:07 AM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each ther with respect.)
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To: calcowgirl

Nixon didn’t do a very good job with the Supreme Court. He appointed FOUR justices—and almost nothing changed! Instead of forming a new majority, most of the Nixon justices by and large joined the existing liberal majority led by Justice Brennan. Blackmun authored Roe, and two of Nixon’s other appointees (Lewis Powell and Warren Burger) signed onto it. Nixon’s only good choice was Rehnquist, who was excellent.


60 posted on 07/19/2007 10:46:15 AM PDT by blitzgig
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