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(I-80) County may get toll booth
Centre Daily Times ^ | 7/3/07 | Mike Joseph

Posted on 07/03/2007 11:50:08 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow

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Pennsylvania (democrats) are considering tolls for I-80, the 300+ mile length of the state at 8 cents a mile (same as PA turnpike). This tax would pay for public transportation in Philadelphia, and 'rebuilding our highways and bridges'. The state got $500,000,000 a couple of years ago for that, and Guv Ed used it on his other pet projects. Now he wants to damage the rural economy of the state by putting tolls on I-80, which will of course reduce traffic and add to costs for businesses in that part of the state.

We've already paid for I-80 with our taxes, and there's supposed to be funding to maintain it from the gas tax - I think they added 25 cents a gallon the last time prices were low to fund highway maintanence. The toll will be to support public transportation, which isn't used by the people paying the toll. I don't believe there is a public transportation system in the country that is self-supporting, and that should tell us something about the level of demand. The only way to get large numbers of people out of their cars and onto public transportation is to make it free, and this funding won't be enough for that.

I'm trying to figure out how this whole subject went from 'let's lease the turnpike to save on costs', to 'how about a toll on I-80 at either end of the state' to 'I-80 a toll road at the same rate per mile as the turnpike'. I'm glad our state Senator talked to the paper about it, since I didn't hear about this anywhere else.

If, to you, PA is just a chunk of land to get across between NY/NJ and the rest of the country, under this proposal that'll cost you an extra $24 or so in tolls - each way.

1 posted on 07/03/2007 11:50:11 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow
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To: Kay Ludlow

Repeal all gas taxes now. The money is being collected and misappropriated if new “taxes” must be levied on roads that have already been built.

And keep an eye out on schemes to privatize toll roads.


2 posted on 07/03/2007 11:54:19 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: Kay Ludlow

$24 each way?

311 miles at 3 cents a mile means $9.33 each way.


3 posted on 07/03/2007 11:57:14 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Oh, my eyes!

8 cents. Sorry.


4 posted on 07/03/2007 11:59:09 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Has not Pennsylvania always embezzled and squandered the Hiway funto pay for liberal hogslopping in the cities?

Time to pay the piper with proceeds from the taxes paid by reformed welfare receivers.


5 posted on 07/03/2007 12:03:17 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: Kay Ludlow

WHO, in Gads’ naame would pay to drive on !-80? It is a cowpath, usually snowed over and if that ain’t enough, stay awake to dodge the potholes.


6 posted on 07/03/2007 12:03:52 PM PDT by Safetgiver (So simple, even a Muslim can do it.)
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To: weegee

Liberal socialists and their taxation are out of control in this country. Everywhere. They will continue to bilk the public until the public finally says “no more”....


7 posted on 07/03/2007 12:04:34 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Kay Ludlow

I thought there was a federal regulation about tolling roads? I could be wrong, but something that you can only put a toll on a road if you’re going to use the funds exclusively for that road?


8 posted on 07/03/2007 12:06:11 PM PDT by laurie_d
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To: Kay Ludlow

This is what happens when you elect Democrats.


9 posted on 07/03/2007 12:06:54 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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WHO, in Gads’ naame would pay to drive on !-80?

LOL! I see your point, yet inexplicably, most times I drive it there's a lot of traffic. I heard someone say on the radio that around 70% of the traffic is from out of state. No doubt that's one reason the Guv thinks it would be a good idea...

10 posted on 07/03/2007 12:11:29 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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It is a cowpath, usually snowed over and if that ain’t enough, stay awake to dodge the potholes.

Have you driven it recently?

It has been vastly improved over most of its length.

11 posted on 07/03/2007 12:12:27 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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You had me going back and checking to see if it was my eyes! $9.33 wouldn’t be so unreasonable...


12 posted on 07/03/2007 12:12:35 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: laurie_d
I thought there was a federal regulation about tolling roads?

They have said they'd have to get the approval of the federal government because of its interstate status. There may be something saying it has to be used for the highway. If that's what they are told though, creative accounting will take care of that.

13 posted on 07/03/2007 12:15:18 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Thanks, Kay.

You’re right about the creative part. Remember, Ed Rendell was once chairman of the DNC.


14 posted on 07/03/2007 12:17:09 PM PDT by laurie_d
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To: Petronski

I drive from Danville to Mercer at least once a month and it is a crap road, with traffic, holes and usually road work going on. If I can, I hit the back roads as much as possible.


15 posted on 07/03/2007 12:18:24 PM PDT by Safetgiver (So simple, even a Muslim can do it.)
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To: laurie_d
I thought there was a federal regulation about tolling roads? I could be wrong, but something that you can only put a toll on a road if you’re going to use the funds exclusively for that road?

The Interstate and Defense Highway Act of 1956 forbade putting tolls on interstate highways, period. Older toll roads were grandfathered into the interstate system, but the law stipulated that no federal monies could be used on those roads, only monies generated by the tolls.

The last two highway appropriation laws, however, repealed that provision. States now have the right to put tolls on interstate highways and, in fact, any highway. Thus far, no state has tried it for fear of provoking a political firestorm, but it was just a matter of time before some state tried the provision out.

I thought Washington state would be first, but it appears that Pennsylvania will have that honor.

16 posted on 07/03/2007 12:18:32 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Alas, I suspect it was my own wishful thinking.

As I read the coverage of this scheme, the tolls wouldn’t begin until 2010, leaving an intervening election season to hold these bastards accountable. The GOP had better make something out of this...something huge.

Rolling over like a sweet gray kitten for Fast Eddie’s caress makes them useless cowards—pussies, even—not leaders.


17 posted on 07/03/2007 12:19:56 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Publius

Publius, thanks for the clarification.


18 posted on 07/03/2007 12:20:19 PM PDT by laurie_d
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To: Safetgiver

Should from Danville to 1-79 to Mercer.


19 posted on 07/03/2007 12:20:26 PM PDT by Safetgiver (So simple, even a Muslim can do it.)
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To: Kay Ludlow
We've already paid for I-80 with our taxes...

Not really true, Kay. Gas taxes -- and even other transportation taxes -- don't pay the full cost of highway building and maintenance. Highways are very heavily subsidized, and the subsidies are both overt and covert.

Read TANSTAAFL: A (Semi-)Serious Look at a World Without Transportation Subsidies for a light-hearted analysis at what would happen if we were really serious about "letting the market decide" and eliminating all subsidies.

20 posted on 07/03/2007 12:25:01 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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