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Don't Be So Sure There Were No WMD in Iraq
The American Thinker ^ | July 3, 2007 | Rachel Neuwirth

Posted on 07/03/2007 5:39:57 AM PDT by Quilla

 Introduction

The references cited in this article strongly suggest that:

1. WMD did indeed exist inside Iraq before the war.

2. The weapons inspectors were both fooled and bribed to ignore evidence.

3. Massive amounts of WMD were removed to known locations in Syria just prior to the war.

4. Massive numbers of Saddam's audio tapes and paper documents were collected and most remain unavailable and presumably un-translated.

5. U.S. officials refused to investigate a number of likely WMD sites.

6. The U.S. intelligence community, and other branches of this government, are stonewalling the issue.
Readers are urged to review the references and decide for themselves.

Before America went to war to topple Saddam Hussein's regime it was widely believed that he possessed weapons of mass destruction. Today it is widely believed that there were no WMD in Iraq before the war. People of both political parties, the major media, and the intellectual community all appear in strong agreement on that point. Some even charge that the Bush Administration deliberately, and knowingly, misled the nation with false information as a pretext to justify going to war.

The Bush Administration is quietly acknowledging that they made a mistake, albeit not intentional. That admission seems to be the final confirmation that there were no WMD in Iraq. In police work when the accused confesses to making a mistake, it is then assumed that the accusation is true and people consider it to be ‘case closed'.

This widespread belief of no WMD in Iraq is seriously damaging our ability to deal with a growing nuclear threat from Iran. There are those who opposed our toppling mass murderer Saddam Hussein both in 1991 and again in 2003, even after he defied multiple U.N. resolutions and was generally believed to have WMD. Now the ‘peace at any price' crowd is exploiting the widespread belief of ‘no WMD' to undermine our war in Iraq. If we fail in Iraq it greatly weakens our ability to deal with Iran, which will become greatly emboldened and infinitely more dangerous as it eventually goes nuclear.

Opponents of military action to stop Iran claim that the mistake over Iraq means that we cannot trust any claim by the Bush Administration regarding Iran's growing nuclear threat. That logic may be faulty but it will further turn opinion against dealing with Iran, especially with those who are now sour on our war in Iraq - and that is currently a majority of Americans. The opponents of military action persistently argue for more ‘negotiations' as the only way to avoid a nuclear Iran even while Iran is clearly stalling for sufficient time to acquire the bomb.

It is therefore essential that the widespread belief of ‘no WMD in Iraq' be double-checked for accuracy. But how can average citizens, and other non-experts, really know the truth? Unfortunately, too many people refuse to reconsider an issue once their minds are made up. Reconsideration is essential and there is a way to deal with this question, at least indirectly. That way is to list critical unanswered questions and then demand that the proponents of ‘no WMD in Iraq' come up with credible answers. Those who adamantly insist that there were no WMD have a duty to answer the following questions or else admit their assertions remain unproven and conceivably wrong.

Obvious Question

Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and other Democrats, all saw the same intelligence back when Clinton was President and George Tenet headed the CIA. They all claimed Iraq had WMD which threatened America. If there really were no WMD, why are they not held equally accountable for misleading the American people? Shouldn't they be required to reveal the basis for their assertions? George Bush retained Clinton's CIA chief who reportedly assured Bush that it was a "slam dunk" that Saddam Hussein had WMD. Other intelligence services including those of NATO and Israel also believed there were WMD. Why don't the critics attempt to discover the evidence for those conclusions?

What was Saddam Hussein hiding with his elaborate schemes to frustrate the U.N. arms inspectors? Why would Saddam needlessly provoke the U.N. and the U.S. into going to war against him if he had nothing to hide? Why haven't the critics answered this question?

Shortly before the war, it was reported that U.S. satellites spotted truck convoys moving from Iraq to Syria at night. One possible explanation is that Saddam had WMD and removed them before the war. Various reports claim that the Russians helped move convoys and planeloads of materials from Iraq into Syria to at least three heavily guarded locations, identified, at least two years ago, by Debka.com and other news sources.

Inexplicably, there has been no effort to discover what was moved. If WMD were indeed removed in this manner, shouldn't we know it? If it turns out that WMD were removed then the war in Iraq becomes justified and the focus should then shift to Syria. If Saddam Hussein was not allowed to have WMD, why then is Syria, Iran's new ally, allowed to have possible WMD with no inspection? Is there unfinished business relative to Saddam's WMD? Is Syria now able to threaten Israel and U.S. forces in the region with chemical and biological weapons?

Where is Saddam's bio weapons expert known as Doctor Germ? What was her work? Saddam's chemical weapons expert known as "Chemical Ali" was recently sentenced to death. What was he doing prior to the war in 2003? Two of Saddam's sons-in law defected and testified about Saddam's WMD. They were spirited back by Saddam and then promptly killed. What did they reveal to U.S. authorities?

Libya's Colonel Khaddaffi gave up his WMD to the U.S. What weapons did the U.S. recover and ship back to America and who was working on these programs? Did Saddam Hussein sponsor the Libyan WMD program?

Early Reports

Seven months after the war began, an extensive report was published presenting a wealth of information on Iraqi WMD and containing 76 open source citations. It described how and what was hidden and how much of it was moved to Syria and Lebanon. It is ‘a must read'. The following paragraph is excerpted from that report.

"Now, it would be common to ask for the reason the Bush Administration has not revealed that WMDs are in Syria and/or Lebanon. According to Israeli intelligence sources, it is likely because exposure of that would lead to a domino effect where evidence would leak out that Iraq's programs had roles played by Egypt, Syria, Libya and Saudi Arabia. [plus the French, Germans and Russians] Such leaks will enflame the region and especially Iraq, and make things much harder, resulting in a more bloody and costly war and diminishing likelihood that other countries would send forces in.[71] Additionally, people would be skeptic, saying it was a lie so that the war-mongering neo-cons were trying to justify a new conquest. The other side would put enormous pressure to bring the war to Syria-a war we are not yet ready to fight."
Iraqi General Georges Sada

In another intelligence revelation, ex Iraqi General Georges Sada recently published his book, Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein. In it he explains how, just prior to the war, Saddam moved his WMD to Syria, with Russian help. Go to www.amazon.com and search for author Georges Sada. Click on picture of book, "Saddam's Secrets". Scroll down to read reviews.

Reviews from Publishers Weekly:

Reviewer 1: In General Sada's unique position, he was able to observe some of the worst of Saddam's behavior and trickery and confirms in this book not only the existence of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the extraordinary lengths that Saddam went to hide these weapons....

Reviewer 2: The author tells how Saddam managed to trick the world into believing he did not have weapons of mass destruction. He goes into detail how Saddam managed to hide all evidence of WMD's and how he managed to move all of them out of Iraq under the noses of the United Nations weapons inspectors. ....

Reviewer 3: Of particular note are tapes of more than 3,000 hours of Saddam Hussein meeting with his war cabinet and millions of pages of documents that contain vital information about Saddam's WMD program and plans for transporting the WMDs out of the country in order to dupe the weapons inspectors.... American and world citizens must demand that these tapes and documents be immediately released, translated, and analyzed in their entirety.
Intelligence Summit Meeting

Hundreds of security experts of diverse backgrounds convened on February 17, 2006 to evaluate Iraqi WMD. The organizers announced that translations of 12 hours of tapes of Saddam Hussein's cabinet meetings would be revealed at the meeting. In it Saddam would be heard talking about Iraq's WMD, its nuclear programs and how he fooled UN inspectors. Ten days before the meeting attendees received messages from inside the administration pressuring them not to attend. "However, these new tapes would have forced the intelligence community to admit that they misled President George W. Bush to state that Iraq had no WMD. Such admission, apparently, was something the intelligence community wanted to avoid by attempting to discredit this conference."

Captured Tapes and Documents

"Who'll Let the Docs Out? Bush wants to release the Saddam files but his [national] intelligence chief [John Negroponte] stalls. By Stephen F. Hayes" 03/20/2006, Volume 011, Issue 25 of the WeeklyStandard.com

Excerpts:

"On February 16, President George W. Bush assembled a small group of congressional Republicans for a briefing on Iraq." Representative Mike Pence said to President Bush, "There are 3,000 hours of Saddam tapes and millions of pages of other documents that we captured after the war. When will the American public get to see this information?"

"Bush replied that he wanted the documents released. He turned to [National Security Advisor Stephen] Hadley and asked for an update. Hadley explained that John Negroponte, Bush's Director of National Intelligence, "owns the documents" and that DNI lawyers were deciding how they might be handled.
.......
"Bush told Hadley to expedite the release of the Iraq documents. "This stuff ought to be out. Put this stuff out." The president would reiterate this point before the meeting adjourned. .....
......

"Negroponte never got the message. Or he is choosing to ignore it. He has done nothing to expedite the exploitation of the documents. And he continues to block the growing congressional effort, led by [Rep. Pete] Hoekstra, [the Michigan Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee] to have the documents released.
‘I found Saddam's WMD bunkers'

Posted By Melanie Phillips On April 19, 2007 @ 9:26 am In Daily Mail |

A devastating expose of criminal incompetence and cover-up by the U.S. government. The first two paragraphs follow.

"It's a fair bet that you have never heard of a guy called Dave Gaubatz. It's also a fair bet that you think the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has found absolutely nothing, nada, zilch; and that therefore there never were any WMD programmers in Saddam's Iraq to justify the war ostensibly waged to protect the world from Saddam's use of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons."

"Dave Gaubatz, however, says you could not be more wrong. Saddam's WMD did exist. He should know because he found the sites where he is certain they were stored. And the reason you don't know about this is that the American administration failed to act on his information, ‘lost' his classified reports and is now doing everything it can to prevent disclosure of the terrible fact that, through its own incompetence, it allowed Saddam's WMD to end up in the hands of the very terrorist states against whom it is so controversially at war."
Media Spin

Another problem with objectively appraising the danger of WMD is exemplified in a recent article  that originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times. The headline reads: "Scientist profits on fears of WMD. - Germ-weapons expert wins grants, federal contracts through his warnings of mass-casualty biological attack." Notice how the reader is immediately primed to be suspicious by the use of emotionally charged words such as "...profits on fears..."

The first paragraph reads,
"After helping to lead the Soviet Union's germ-weapons program, Ken Alibek defected to the United States and began warning about the threat of a mass-casualty biological attack. Alibek also has sought to profit from the fear of such weapons of mass destruction, landing federal contracts or grants totaling about $28 million."
The first sentence above acknowledges that Ken Alibeck had good reason to know about the Soviet Union's germ-weapons program and hence he has credibility. But then, as if to immediately undermine his credibility, there follows the insinuation that, ..." Alibek also has sought to profit from the fear ..." This implies a selfish, if not a sinister, motivation. And in support of this insinuation we are told that his company received government contracts or grants, as if that alone was evidence of wrongdoing.

If the LA Times has any proof of wrongdoing by Alibeck let them produce the evidence. Instead, this news implies an accusation without actually making a charge that could expose them to be prosecuted for libel. Honest reporting would require a clear separation between presenting hard facts and offering editorial opinion. Their blatant failure to observe journalistic ethics raises the question of an agenda on the part of the LA Times.

Too may people are imposing their biases and opinions on the WMD issue which makes it much harder to get the full truth and to defend against a future attack.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: insurgents; iraq; saddam; syria; terrorism; terrorists; wmd; wot
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To: Kerretarded

“Despite what you write, WMD’s were found in Iraq, not in the quantities that were toted as proof of a looming threat,”

It has not been released the quantities found. Only the tip of the iceburg, I assure you.


81 posted on 07/03/2007 10:34:22 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: Quilla

This ship has sailed.


82 posted on 07/03/2007 10:35:13 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: ravingnutter

PING!


83 posted on 07/03/2007 10:39:17 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: billbears

Oh I’m sorry, I actually have a life away from the computer. I didn’t know you were still here.


BTW, the question this refers to was stated several minutes after this post. The post I am responding to NOW was written 7 minutes after my last post to you.

Far from it for me to expect you to be here 24/7... but reading what your responding to would be a welcome change.


84 posted on 07/03/2007 10:42:45 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: MacDorcha

Where are the WMDs, then? Why did the President allow this farce that the media has foisted that there were no WMDs? Is it blackmail by Iran and Syria? Why haven’t we responded directly to Iran’s insertion of terrorists in country that have killed our soldiers?


85 posted on 07/03/2007 10:50:26 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (This Space Available for Rent)
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To: Quilla

BUMP!


86 posted on 07/03/2007 10:56:41 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

How many times do I have to point out that I am not legally permitted to speak on behalf of the US Government?


87 posted on 07/03/2007 11:08:10 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: All

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKxAqpjroo

Just comes to mind...


88 posted on 07/03/2007 11:09:17 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: EarthBound

Feel like watching?


89 posted on 07/03/2007 11:12:14 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: Quilla

Was it better to fool Saddam into stashing his WMD so that they could not be used on our troops or would it have better to catch Saddam red handed by allowing him to inflict casualties with them?

Would it be better to brag about finding WMD in order to score political points or to tell the enemy that there are no WMD’s to be found in Iraq?


90 posted on 07/03/2007 11:23:01 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (JFK, RMN and GWB all fought the CIA and lost.)
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To: MacDorcha

I understand. So, apparently the President chose allow his credibility to be undermined for some higher purpose. Unfortunately, it is making our addressing the Iranian problem very problematic, as any intelligence is immediately questioned as faulty. As well, if we can’t address Iran as a sponsor of terror, making Iraq ultimately safe will be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Thanks anyway, thank you for your service, and stay safe.


91 posted on 07/03/2007 12:03:52 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (This Space Available for Rent)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

IMO, he’s either waiting for an oportune moment to release the findings, or is waiting to uncover as much as possible before making a wide-spread claim of finding such devices.

They may be hoping (or have intel suggesting) that those who are charged with hiding the last remants of the devices may not have the means to effectively communicate with each other. They live in silent seperation from each other.

This would feed well into the paranoia Saddam was known to have.

In short, a media broadcast would give the bad guys a heads up that they would otherwise not have.

Again, just IMO.


92 posted on 07/03/2007 12:12:28 PM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: billbears; MacDorcha
Bill, come on man. You can't be so dim as to believe that there are no WMDs, or that there never were any, or that they haven't been hidden, stolen, or are still being looked into. The thousands of cannisters of chemical and biological agents, and the yellow cake should've convinced you otherwise if so. We gave Sodamn plenty of time to hide or dispose of them.

I have known Mac for half of my life, we've grown up together, and I call him an uncle to my daughter. I trust him with what he has to say or can't say yet, as much as I honor him being over there in the arena and keeping us safe. So it's really upsetting that you would act in such a condescending manner when speaking with him.

If you can't add anything constructive to the convo, by all means, keep sputtering nonsense, just don't mind if I ignore you, eh?

93 posted on 07/03/2007 12:19:51 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: MacDorcha

We seem to be on the track, in Iraq, of a Viet Nam type war where neighboring states are supplying the insurgents in-country. I do not wish for a minute that some sufficient number of our soldiers become casualties before political correctness allows us to react. We’ve done this dance 40 years ago. The WMD lie that the media has perpetrated is now getting our soldiers killed, as it is tying the hands of the Administration and therefore the military in its ability to react to Iran. I wish some Conservative talking head would address this issue.


94 posted on 07/03/2007 12:31:59 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (This Space Available for Rent)
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To: EarthBound; MacDorcha
There is no evidence that us peons know that Iraq represented to our borders with WMDs or otherwise. Did they exist? Well of course they did. Killed a lot of Kurds with them (course I imagine that image of 'Rummy' shaking hands with Hussein around the same time was photoshopped too right?). Did they exist after 1995? Don't know, don't care. Didn't represent a threat to our borders.

I also don't care which facet of the one party system we currently have said what about them either. They were not involved with 9/11 so therefore they had not attacked our borders. Now if they had attacked our borders, declare war properly, and wipe them off the face of the map. Too much pussyfooting around with PC tactics if you ask me. Course that's what you get when you don't officially declare war.

But no, I do not believe the WMDs were not 'shipped to Syrian deserts' or hidden elsewhere. The simplest answer is that if you can't find something it doesn't exist. To ask me to prove a negative (that they were destroyed) is futile. You make the positive argument (that they existed at the time of invasion) so the burden is upon you to prove said argument. Otherwise, that's like saying everyone is guilty of murder unless proven not to be so.

I trust him with what he has to say or can't say yet,

Well that's where we're different. I don't trust anyone except God and family (and even then not all of them). I have no reason to disrespect or dislike Mac as I don't even know him. You're probably two personable guys that seriously believe what you believe. But I also have no reason to take what he says as gospel because he, you, or anyone else says so.

95 posted on 07/03/2007 12:53:57 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

Well whoop-de-doo... You believe your people, but not mine.

I have a first hand account, you do not.

You might as well tell me that Canada doesn’t exist for the simple matter that you have not been there (this is not me asserting something in your life, this is what is called “an example”. I’m sure it’s safer to say “Kenya”.)

You assert you have no faith in another’s first-hand accounts. Fine. Guess that pretty much excludes the Bible from you “must-read” list.

Your only arguement thus far is an absense of you personally falling into a hole in the middle of Iraq with a live nuclear warhead!

You know what? Go to Hell! You can’t even take a fellow man’s word? Fine! Hope you remember your assertions about “first hand accounts” that first day your child comes home from a fight.

In your logic, you’d have the child taken to the doctor to fix his “balance problem” despite the kid telling you otherwise!

If all you have is skepticism, I say to you, have a good life.

MacDorcha, Out.


96 posted on 07/03/2007 1:21:54 PM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: billbears; MacDorcha
"I have no reason to disrespect or dislike Mac as I don't even know him. You're probably two personable guys that seriously believe what you believe. But I also have no reason to take what he says as gospel because he, you, or anyone else says so."

No one is compelling you to believe anything. You are entirely free to believe whatever you want, but you do nothing to bolster your case when you disrespect others (and yes, you are disrespecting MacDorcha with your snarky retorts).
97 posted on 07/03/2007 1:22:51 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: PGalt; Quilla; All
After reading over 3000 Iraqi documents I concluded that Saddam regime opted to produce the basic materials, also called Precursors, required to build Chemical Weapons rather than Chemical weapons itself first because they can always claim it is dual use material, i.e. used for civilian industries, second because it will last for longer time in storage than the final Chemical weapon product.

In my opinion and based on three particular documents that I read; I think that these precursors required to build the Chemical Weapons are hidden in the Anbar province. The documents even name the locations where these precusors are possibly buried.

98 posted on 07/03/2007 1:46:27 PM PDT by jveritas (Support the Commander in Chief in Times of War.)
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To: Quilla

To protect classified information from the enemy, I wonder if the administration would ever report findings, even if a wmd cache was, or ever in the future is, uncovered?


99 posted on 07/03/2007 1:48:58 PM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: Quilla

We already know there were WMD in Iraq. I think I recall that when it was made known approx. a year ago, the libs decided that the number wasn’t large enough to be credible. Fact is, no matter how many were found, whether 5 or 5 million, they’d have found some way to dismiss it.


100 posted on 07/03/2007 1:49:40 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (You can lead a liberal to talk radio, but you can't make him think.)
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