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Muslim prayers in school debated
UNION-TRIBUNE ^ | 07/02/07 | Helen Gao

Posted on 07/02/2007 8:50:37 PM PDT by Pikamax

Muslim prayers in school debated

S.D. elementary at center of dispute By Helen Gao UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

July 2, 2007

A San Diego public school has become part of a national debate over religion in schools ever since a substitute teacher publicly condemned an Arabic language program that gives Muslim students time for prayer during school hours.

Carver Elementary in Oak Park added Arabic to its curriculum in September when it suddenly absorbed more than 100 students from a defunct charter school that had served mostly Somali Muslims.

After subbing at Carver, the teacher claimed that religious indoctrination was taking place and said that a school aide had led Muslim students in prayer.

An investigation by the San Diego Unified School District failed to substantiate the allegations. But critics continue to assail Carver for providing a 15-minute break in the classroom each afternoon to accommodate Muslim students who wish to pray. (Those who don't pray can read or write during that non-instructional time.)

Some say the arrangement at Carver constitutes special treatment for a specific religion that is not extended to other faiths. Others believe it crosses the line into endorsement of religion.

Supporters of Carver say such an accommodation is legal, if not mandatory, under the law. They note the district and others have been sued for not accommodating religious needs on the same level as non-religious needs, such as a medical appointment.

Islam requires its adherents to pray at prescribed times, one of which falls during the school day.

While some parents say they care more about their children's education than a debate about religious freedom, the allegations – made at a school board meeting in April – have made Carver the subject of heated discussions on conservative talk radio. District officials have been besieged by letters and phone calls, some laced with invective.

The issue has drawn the attention of national groups concerned about civil rights and religious liberty. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, Anti-Defamation League, American Civil Liberties Union and the Pacific Justice Institute are some of the groups monitoring developments in California's second-largest school district.

Among the critics is Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel with the nonprofit, Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center devoted to “defending the religious freedom of Christians.”

He said he's “against double standards being used,” such as when there is a specific period for Muslim students to pray and not a similar arrangement for Christians.

Carver's supporters noted that Christianity and other religions, unlike Islam, do not require their followers to pray at specific times that fall within school hours, when children by law must be in school. Amid the controversy, the district is studying alternatives to the break to accommodate student prayer.

Capitalizing on what it considers a precedent-setting opportunity created by the Carver situation, the Sacramento-based Pacific Justice Institute has offered to help craft a districtwide “Daily Prayer Time Policy.”

In a letter, the religious-rights organization urged the district to broaden its accommodations to Christians and Jews by setting aside separate classrooms for daily prayer and to permit rabbis, priests and other religious figures to lead children in worship on campuses.

A lawyer representing the district said those ideas would violate the Constitution's prohibition against government establishment of religion.

The uproar over Carver comes as schools across the country grapple with how to accommodate growing Muslim populations. In recent weeks, the University of Michigan's Dearborn campus has been divided over using student fees to install foot-washing stations on campus to make it easier for Muslim students to cleanse themselves before prayer.

“These things are surfacing more and more in many places where large communities of Muslims are coming in and trying to say this is our right,” said Antoine Mefleh, a non-Muslim who is an Arabic language instructor with the Minneapolis public schools.

His school allows Muslim students to organize an hour of prayer on Fridays – Muslims typically have Friday congregational prayers – and make up class work they miss as a result. During the rest of the week, students pray during lunch or recess.

The San Diego chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations supports the Carver program.

“Our country is transforming demographically, religiously,” said Edgar Hopida, the chapter's public relations director. “Our country has to now accommodate things that are not traditionally accounted for before.”

Carol Clipper, who is the guardian of two grandchildren enrolled in the school's Arabic program, said she believes students should be “given the freedom” to pray. Clipper is Christian, and her grandchildren are being raised in both Islam and Christianity.

“I take them to the mosque and they go to church with me,” she said.

Another parent, Tony Peregrino, whose son is not in the Arabic program, said he's OK with the Muslim students praying. What he cares about, he said, is that teachers are doing their job, and his son's education is not affected.

Courts have ruled on a series of school prayer cases over the past half-century, but legal scholars say a lack of clarity remains.

“This is an area where the law is notoriously erratic,” said Steven Smith, a constitutional law professor at the University of San Diego.

Voluntary prayers by students are protected private speech, the courts have said. That means students can say grace before a meal and have Bible study clubs on campus, and several San Diego schools do. Public school employees, however, cannot lead children in prayer on campus.

Students also can be excused for religious holidays, such as Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement, and Good Friday during Holy Week.

The federal Equal Access Act requires that extracurricular school clubs, religious and non-religious, be treated equally.

San Diego Unified was sued in 1993 when it denied a University City High School student's request to hold lunchtime Bible fellowship. The court found the district discriminated against religion, because it allowed secular clubs to meet during lunch.

Brent North, a lawyer retained by the district to address concerns related to the Carver program, said the district learned from the University City High case to be “careful about restricting students' right to their own private religious expression, including when it's on campus.”

The district cites Department of Education guidelines on prayer:

“Where school officials have a practice of excusing students from class on the basis of parents' requests for accommodation of non-religious needs, religiously motivated requests for excusal may not be accorded less favorable treatment.”

The midday prayer for Muslims here generally falls between 1 and 2 p.m., North said, and that is before the school day ends.

“What is unique about this request is the specificity of the religious requirement that a prayer be offered at a certain time on the clock,” he said.

North went on to say, “The district's legal obligation in response to a request that a prayer must be performed at a particular time is to treat that request the same as it would treat a student's request to receive an insulin shot at a particular time.”

Mefleh, the Minneapolis Arabic instructor, said he allows his Muslim students to pray at the end of class during the monthlong observance of Ramadan, Islam's holiest period.

“Some accommodation has to come from both sides,” he said. “I just tell them prayer is good. Class is good, too. Your time is precious. You have to come to an agreement with them without making a big fuss. If you want to pray, I understand, but I don't want to interrupt the class too much.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aclumia; dhimmitude; doublestandard; enemywithin; infiltration; mosqueandstate; muslimstudents; prayerinschools; sandiego; sharia
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To: Irene Adler

Maybe the kids know how to pray all by themselves.

My kids have been praying all by themselves since they were little.


41 posted on 07/02/2007 10:57:59 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: CAWats

Are not Christians required to witness their faith to others?


42 posted on 07/02/2007 11:00:19 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: everyone

Just goes to show, in the real world, you can’t treat all religions with perfect equality. We will get to the point where we must chose between our Establishment’s dogma (the radical, ACLU version of the Bill of Rights) and our culture. I choose our culture.


43 posted on 07/02/2007 11:00:42 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: goldstategop
If Muslims are allowed to pray in public school, why can't Christians and Jews do the same? You might want to ask the ACLU secular jihadists about the double standard.

That's because droids don't rip your arms out of their sockets whwn they loose. Wookies have been known to do that.
44 posted on 07/02/2007 11:04:24 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Upon further review, it appears that Muslims are required to pray dawn, at the midday, about the middle of the afternoon, just after sunset, and at night fall about two hours after sunset. Only two of those times conflict with the school schedule. Let the kids pray at lunch time and afternoon recess. If the schedule need be later to lengthen said recess, at least all students would share the extra time evenly. If Abdul wants to pray while Andy plays, so be it.
45 posted on 07/02/2007 11:06:14 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Are not Christians required to witness their faith to others?

By their actions you will know them...

46 posted on 07/02/2007 11:15:28 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: goldstategop
...public school....

There's your answer right there.

47 posted on 07/02/2007 11:19:58 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: SoCal Pubbie

But does that indulgence include praying for the demise of those who profess other beliefs?


48 posted on 07/03/2007 12:23:57 AM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I don’t see you proposing any worthwhile argument for recesses to be lengthened to cater to particular religious beliefs.


49 posted on 07/03/2007 12:27:00 AM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: Pikamax
If the diaperheads want their little jihadists to pray during the day then let them do what other Americans who want the same do...send them to private schools.
50 posted on 07/03/2007 2:18:24 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: CAWats
I’m tired of the Muslims with all their crap.

It's just starting. The more of them there are -- the more their demands will increase.
51 posted on 07/03/2007 2:52:53 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Post Toasties
Well, I’m playing Devil’s advocate here (hopefully not literally), IF it is actually decided that reasonable accommodations legally MUST be made for religious purposes. I think the time I and other children, including Protestants, Catholics and Jews, were given to attend the Chapel on Wheels in the early 1960’s was reasonable, but it’s now banned. So I see no reason this special time is given for Muslims. The fact that other kids gets the time out to do what they please is beside the point.

So, again, IF the high court determines that this mandate for daily prayer be accommodated, then it would be better to tell the kids you've got the lunchtime break and a lengthened afternoon recess to get ‘er done.

52 posted on 07/03/2007 7:38:05 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

If they allowed religious freedom, they wouldn’t have this problem.


53 posted on 07/03/2007 7:40:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Pikamax

bump for pulicity


54 posted on 07/03/2007 7:41:49 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Pikamax

If other faiths cannot take time out of class to pray, then Muslims should not be permitted to do so either. No one is forcing them to use public schools.


55 posted on 07/03/2007 7:43:32 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Pikamax
Carver's supporters noted that Christianity and other religions, unlike Islam, do not require their followers to pray at specific times that fall within school hours, when children by law must be in school.

Christians are commanded to 'pray without ceasing', yet Christian kids still manage to attend classes.

56 posted on 07/03/2007 7:45:18 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Pikamax

Let the Muslims pray

In Mecca but not in the United States of America


57 posted on 07/03/2007 10:58:04 PM PDT by Dov in Houston (The word Amnesty invokes a passion in me. Illegal immigrants are criminals. Supporters Aid & Abet)
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