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Muslim prayers in school debated (CA)
UNION-TRIBUNE ^ | July 2, 2007 | Helen Gao

Posted on 07/02/2007 1:48:11 AM PDT by Baladas

A San Diego public school has become part of a national debate over religion in schools ever since a substitute teacher publicly condemned an Arabic language program that gives Muslim students time for prayer during school hours.

Carver Elementary in Oak Park added Arabic to its curriculum in September when it suddenly absorbed more than 100 students from a defunct charter school that had served mostly Somali Muslims.

After subbing at Carver, the teacher claimed that religious indoctrination was taking place and said that a school aide had led Muslim students in prayer.

An investigation by the San Diego Unified School District failed to substantiate the allegations. But critics continue to assail Carver for providing a 15-minute break in the classroom each afternoon to accommodate Muslim students who wish to pray. (Those who don't pray can read or write during that non-instructional time.)

Some say the arrangement at Carver constitutes special treatment for a specific religion that is not extended to other faiths. Others believe it crosses the line into endorsement of religion.

Supporters of Carver say such an accommodation is legal, if not mandatory, under the law. They note the district and others have been sued for not accommodating religious needs on the same level as non-religious needs, such as a medical appointment.

Islam requires its adherents to pray at prescribed times, one of which falls during the school day.

While some parents say they care more about their children's education than a debate about religious freedom, the allegations – made at a school board meeting in April – have made Carver the subject of heated discussions on conservative talk radio. District officials have been besieged by letters and phone calls, some laced with invective.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: brainwashing; churchandstate; education; homeschoolingisgood; indoctrination; islam; muslim; muslimstudents; pc; politicalcorrectness; publiceducation
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Prayer in school is a First Amendment right unless it's prayer of a non-Muslim nature - then it turns into a "violation of the separation of church and state" implied by the First Amendment?

Yo, dhimmies.

1 posted on 07/02/2007 1:48:14 AM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas
The ACLU is opposed only to Judeo-Christian school prayer. The ACLU liberals wouldn't want to risk a fatwa by going after prayer of the Muslim variety.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 07/02/2007 1:49:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Baladas

Do they have to make a special arrangement for the prayer time? I don’t know about their schedule, but if the school has lunch time around noon, and it lasts for say 30-45 mins, it should be enough for the kids to do their prayers.


3 posted on 07/02/2007 1:54:47 AM PDT by paudio
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I don’t know about their schedule, but if the school has lunch time around noon, and it lasts for say 30-45 mins, it should be enough for the kids to do their prayers. "

Perhaps it is, but do you really want Islam taught in schools to our children do you?

4 posted on 07/02/2007 1:57:55 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: Baladas

Where the hell is the ACLU? If this were Christians or Jews asking for prayer time, the suit would already be filed. Screw the rag-heads - let them do their prayers after school while they are washing their feet with a hose.


6 posted on 07/02/2007 2:11:49 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: Baladas

Another 10 years and California schoolchildren will be reading their Korans in Spanish.


7 posted on 07/02/2007 2:28:07 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("Eat yer groatcakes, Porgy!" "Heavy on the thirty weight, Mom!")
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Perhaps it is, but do you really want Islam taught in schools to our children do you?

I don't see how teaching Islam can possibly be allowed in public schools. After all, there is a zero tolerance policy for any type of explosives on the school campuses.

8 posted on 07/02/2007 2:46:27 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Baladas

It’s not just California.

http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070531/MILFORD01/70531004/-1/Milford01


9 posted on 07/02/2007 2:52:02 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

:)


10 posted on 07/02/2007 2:52:26 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: Baladas

These are the same people who will yell and scream if anything Christian is mentioned in school.


11 posted on 07/02/2007 3:01:10 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Baladas

Oak Park School District
13900 Granzon
Oak Park, MI 48237
Phone: (248) 336-7700
Fax: (248) 336-7738

Special Education Department
22180 Parklawn Room 112
Oak Park, MI 48237
Phone: (248) 336-7003
Fax: (248) 336-7004


12 posted on 07/02/2007 3:06:18 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Baladas

The Constitution doesn’t say anything about violating the seperation of mosque and state hence; no violation here, move along. See, a ready made technicality for the shysters at ACLU.


13 posted on 07/02/2007 3:09:28 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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After subbing at Carver, the teacher claimed that religious indoctrination was taking place and said that a school aide had led Muslim students in prayer.

Hello, ACLU? Where you at?
14 posted on 07/02/2007 4:39:55 AM PDT by Uncle Ivan (FredOn: Apply Directly to the White House)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Another 10 years and California schoolchildren will be reading their Korans in Spanish.

LOL... very funny... but something to be worried about as well.

15 posted on 07/02/2007 4:41:00 AM PDT by John Obis
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To: goldstategop

The ACLU does not want to displease Satan..


16 posted on 07/02/2007 4:41:25 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Baladas
Some say the arrangement at Carver constitutes special treatment for a specific religion that is not extended to other faiths.

And that constitutes government endoresement of a single religion or Church. The Rev. Barry Lynn is expected to have no comment on this.

17 posted on 07/02/2007 4:43:40 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Baladas
I don't mind the Mooselims praying.

But, for God's sake, DON'T LET THEM TAKE SHOP CLASS !!!
18 posted on 07/02/2007 5:21:08 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Baladas

No. hell no. Absolutely no.


19 posted on 07/02/2007 5:53:08 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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Another 10 years and California schoolchildren will be reading their Korans in Spanish

A few years ago, that would have been a ridiculous statement. But now, I am afraid that you are right.

20 posted on 07/02/2007 6:08:43 AM PDT by Clovis_Skeptic (Isalm is a religion of peace my @$s)
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