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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 1 July 2007
Various big media television networks ^ | 1 July 2007 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 07/01/2007 5:11:00 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: Bernard
Exactly, that's why I think the illegal problem will be solved if, where, and when it gets too far out of hand in certain areas that actually care about their quality of life.In those areas people will demand change from their local leaders and will get it no matter what.

The feds may try and stop locals at first, but later on that will become too massive a job.

301 posted on 07/01/2007 9:02:22 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: snugs

Why do Londoners keep re-electing this fool?


302 posted on 07/01/2007 9:03:07 AM PDT by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1SG Tim Millsap A Co. 70th Engineer Bn. K.I.A. 25 Apr. 2005)
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To: rodguy911

“More Moslems came, and soon a small mosque was built, which attracted yet others. As long as Zoroastrians remained in the majority, their lives were tolerable; but once the Moslems became the more numerous, a petty but pervasive harassment was apt to develop. This was partly verbal, with taunts about fire-worship, and comments on how few Zoroastrians there were in the world, and how many Moslems, who must therefore posses the truth; and also on how many material advantages lay with Islam. The harassment was often also physical; boys fought, and gangs of youth waylaid and bullied individual Zoroastrians. They also diverted themselves by climbing into the local tower of silence and desecrating it, and they might even break into the fire-temple and seek to pollute or extinguish the sacred flame. Those with criminal leanings found too that a religious minority provided tempting opportunities for theft, pilfering from the open fields, and sometimes rape and arson. Those Zoroastrians who resisted all these pressures often preferred therefore in the end to sell out and move to some other place where their co-religionists were still relatively numerous, and they could live at peace; and so another village was lost to the old faith.”

Boyce, A Persian Stronghold of Zoroastrianism, pp. 7-8;


303 posted on 07/01/2007 9:04:16 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: txradioguy
Goodness know I suspect it has something to do with who votes for a mayor.

Many people you have difficulty to turn out for electing their MP let alone a mayor.

Obviously he election/re-election campaign was slick and promised much probably more social and welfare programs plus pandering to the Muslims and other ethnic groups. Add all that together and probably answered why he was re-elected.

Speak to the average man in the street and they think he is cuckoo but then only the Londoner's who vote elect him.

304 posted on 07/01/2007 9:07:57 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: MNJohnnie

“Last week you fillbustered a bad bill, you did NOTHING to fix the problems you all have been raging about for years”

LOL.. we prevented the problem from getting even worse. the new bill would have sent out the clarion call to all foriegners... FLOOD OUR BORDER NOW.

Killing that bill, prevented that incentive.. so there.


305 posted on 07/01/2007 9:09:02 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: MNJohnnie

Unbelievable, I figured as much.

Case in point, check out the header for this, then read it:
U.S. Soldiers In Baghdad Charged With Murder As 26 Iraqis Killed in Raids

BAGHDAD — Two U.S. soldiers were charged with the premeditated murder of three Iraqis, while 26 people died in American raids in Baghdad’s Sadr City neighborhood, the U.S. military said Saturday.

North of the capital, police said a homicide bomber exploded himself in a crowd of police recruits, killing at least 16 people and wounding 24. The attacker detonated his explosives belt Saturday in a market area outside a police station in Muqdadiyah, 90 kilometers (60 miles) north of Baghdad, a police officer said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The two American soldiers are accused of killing three Iraqis in separate incidents, then planting weapons on the victims’ remains, the military said in a statement. Fellow soldiers reported the alleged crimes, which took place between April and this month in the vicinity of Iskandariyah, 50 kilometer (30 miles) south of Baghdad, it said.

The U.S. military on Saturday identified the soldiers as Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley from Candler, N.C., and Spc. Jorge G. Sandoval from Laredo, Texas.

Hensley is charged with three counts each of premeditated murder, obstructing justice and “wrongfully placing weapons with the remains of deceased Iraqis,” the military said. He was placed in military confinement in Kuwait on Thursday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287460,00.html


306 posted on 07/01/2007 9:09:02 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Did you hear anymore on the Scotland flaming SUV suicide driver?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287472,00.html

Nevermind, look at this.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22000869-31477,00.html


307 posted on 07/01/2007 9:15:14 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: rodguy911
The only thing that will get their attention is if some of them are missing after the next election cycle.

Only problem is they said the same thing in 2006 and managed to dump 3 Senators that had 92% or higher Amercian Conservative Union life time voting record instead.

308 posted on 07/01/2007 9:17:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: MNJohnnie

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php


309 posted on 07/01/2007 9:17:23 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: kabar
If you hold a separate debate on how to handle the 12 to 20 million illegals already here, the first thing you need are reliable data. How can you make good public policy without knowing the scope of the problem and its impact? In 1986, the USG estimated that 1 million would apply for amnesty. The number turned out to be three million.

Absolutely. Bad data leads to bad decisions. But there appears to be an effort to obfuscate the data - on the actual number of illegals, on the actual content of the failed legislation, on the provisions of legislation already on the books, etc. Why is that?

310 posted on 07/01/2007 9:18:48 AM PDT by BusterBear
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To: don-o; Alas Babylon!
I did catch the tail end of his Friday show. He had Ann Coulter on. I had earlier heard him blast her over the dust up with the Wife of the Breck Girl.

Evidently, he let Ann on to set the record straight and was properly chastened. (I may be off somewhat, but this is what I gathered from the snips I heard.)

I don't listen to Gallagher, but in researching the pre-show thread I hit his site and he has clips from his shows.  Here are two from the Friday show on point:

Segment: Elizabeth Edwards and Ann Coulter

Segment: Elizabeth Edwards and Ann Coulter

So you can listen and find out if he did say what you thought he said.  I didn't see any transcripts. 

311 posted on 07/01/2007 9:19:29 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: pacelvi
I hate to think that’s where we are headed but....
No body seems to get what the islamofacist are all about.
312 posted on 07/01/2007 9:19:44 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: rodguy911
i think this is what Islam is about:

Free Version:

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm
313 posted on 07/01/2007 9:22:35 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: Bahbah
This is the most disgraceful appearance by any member of Congress I have ever seen.

The White House needs the kind of rapid response internet video done for Leahy's performance on MTP that Fred produced for Michael Moore's outburst a few weeks ago.  But this White House doesn't believe in fighting back.  They really are trying to "change the tone" and have unilaterally disarmed.

Unfortunately Bush is right, in principle and in an ideal world, and Clinton's "permanent campaign" style of government is one of the big things wrong right now in Washington.  The problems that the Bush administration has encountered as a result of doing the right thing has guaranteed, IMHO, that no president, D or R, will ever play it that way again. 

314 posted on 07/01/2007 9:24:09 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Roccus

re:

Sure seems that way doesn’t it. Of course, a refusal to call an attack just that (OU stadium, SUV rampage in NC, Seattle Jewish center, Minn. mall shooting, etc) will only drag it out longer and imperil more Americans.

Don’t forget the explosive materials at Georgia Tech, U of Michigan and a California college within the same week of the OU attempt. Oh, and the cell phone guys along with Muslims of America Red Houses, with more popping up continously (where excons go after release... and automatic weapons are at the compounds, sounds like cause to me).


315 posted on 07/01/2007 9:24:48 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
The end of the Fairness Doctrine did not spawn conservative talk radio. Biased broadcast media did by systematically and methodically withholding (i.e., omitting) news stories and issue positions that appeared to support conservative causes.

Talk radio was a pent-up reaction of citizens to having to swallow the liberal agenda for years without an effective means to respond. Letters to editors were a highly selective, limited and unsatisfying recourse. Blogs did not exist.

Viewers who wanted to be informed on both sides of an issue went elsewhere, just as readers of newspapers are doing today. The "mainstream" media has not learned its lessons. Many pundits fancy themselves as clever propaganda experts who can trick the public.

Pinch Sulzberger of the NY Times candidly admits he tried but failed in his efforts to manage opinion with deceptive practices. These reporters, editors and media chiefs would rather push their ideological agendas than be profitable by appealing to a larger audience.

The solution is not to enforce the Fairness Doctrine against all news outlets that use federally controlled airwaves, but to let the free market sort out winners and losers. Yes, Mark Green, the airwaves are a scarce resource. But, why compound the problem with subsidies?

A first priority should be to defund those the outlets like NPR and PBS that receive huge subsidies from taxpayers. Let them compete for their audience, and let those who withhold information, irritate and annoy fall by the wayside.

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316 posted on 07/01/2007 9:26:22 AM PDT by OESY
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To: Phsstpok
Maybe I was hallucinating, but I thought I heard Ann at the very end on Friday, and he signed off with something like, "I am the schoolboy and she is the schoomarm."

Whatever, he is actually not worth the bother. I listen a couple of minutes at a time, to see if he possibly has any interesting guests.

317 posted on 07/01/2007 9:30:44 AM PDT by don-o (“I don`t expect politicians to solve anyone's problems.The world owes us nothing” Bob Dylan)
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To: anita

Heads up, our troops are busy indeed:
http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom2/Lists/Press%20Releases/Current%20Releases.aspx

Hmmm.

Police Recruits Pour Out to Fight al Qaeda
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jun2007/a062907ej3.html


318 posted on 07/01/2007 9:32:14 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: MNJohnnie
We screwed ourselves in 06 because we were mad. This time everybody is mad. participants from both parties, and for a different reason.

Our govt. has tried to(and is) politicizing border security against the will of the people,large majorities of the people, on both sides of the aisle. That makes this very different.

The people spoke loud and clear last week that border security can not be compromised. The line was drawn in the sand. It may get erased by bureaucrats willfully ignoring US law en mass.

If that happens then our only hope will be that we get better politicos from the next election or seek justice locally, but we did speak and with one voice.And we were heard.

319 posted on 07/01/2007 9:34:09 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: MNJohnnie
Political goals are not achieved by fillbustering the other guy's bill. Please spare me the usual overly emotion bluster this week. I have no more patients for the childish posturing and macho boy 'Net warrior sloganeering that is used in place of reason on this issue. Everyone knows FULL well building the 700 miles of fence is NOT going to solve the problem that got you Antis all riled up in the 1st place. So please, try addressing the point ONE time instead of merely posting your usual emotional knee jerk responses. It getting really old the way you simply ignore any facts that do not simply validate your emotional dogma on this issue.

LOL. Kind of like calling the kettle black You are the one who introduces "emotional knee jerk responses" and name-calling, like Antis, know-nothings, macho boys, etc. You can't engage in rational discourse with that kind of tone, which seem to be sprinkled throughout your comments. Let's deal with facts. I have read both versions of the Senate bill line by line and done my own analysis. I know what is in it and the likely impact it will have on this country were it to be enacted.

I have never said that building a 700 mile fence is going to solve all of our problems, but it is a start and a visible commitment to actually address the problem after 9/11. I have always included in my responses to you the need to have control over visa overstays, much of which is already in the 1996 US Visit Program legislation. We have the Secure Fence Act of 2006 approved by all of the major candidates from both parties who serve in the Senate. Let's build what the legislation says we should build.

To start with. You been in the Govt. It is utterly absurd to expect the US Govt to build you a billion worth of fence in 6 months. NOTHING the Govt does is every done without about a zillion meetings and “studies”. It took over 60 days for the US Govt to FINALLY get some troops deployed to Afghanistan in the fall of 2001! And that was war!

Let's see if the fence with only 13 miles completed will acutally be built. That is a true test of the administration's commitment. It is also a matter of national security. I expect the USG to exercise some sense of urgency in getting it built and not throw it back to the Senate, as Chertoff suggested when asked if the Administration was still going to follow through on asking for the $4.4 billion it was attaching to the failed comprehensive immigration reform bill. The Secure Fence Act has specific deadlines on when certain portions of the fence will be completed. We are already behind schedule.

Read the text of the bill. the Secretary shall ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along such area by May 30, 2007, and that fence construction is completed by May 30, 2008.

Last week you fillbustered a bad bill, you did NOTHING to fix the problems you all have been raging about for years. Merely preventing the other guy from winning is NOT the same thing as winning the war.

We should enforce the laws on the books. I have repeatedly sent you a plan on how we should approach this issue. We need to shut off the supply of illegals first and then get some good data on the scope and nature of the problem. You can't make good public policy without it. And in the meantime, we should enforce the laws of this country. The President of the United States has not fulfilled his responsibilities under the Constitution. The buck stops there.

320 posted on 07/01/2007 9:36:30 AM PDT by kabar
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