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If you hold a separate debate on how to handle the 12 to 20 million illegals already here, the first thing you need are reliable data. How can you make good public policy without knowing the scope of the problem and its impact? In 1986, the USG estimated that 1 million would apply for amnesty. The number turned out to be three million.

Absolutely. Bad data leads to bad decisions. But there appears to be an effort to obfuscate the data - on the actual number of illegals, on the actual content of the failed legislation, on the provisions of legislation already on the books, etc. Why is that?

there appears to be an effort to obfuscate the data - on the actual number of illegals, on the actual content of the failed legislation, on the provisions of legislation already on the books, etc. Why is that?

Only the federal government has the time, money and hubris required to calculate exactly what it does not know, and since illegals in this country have stolen identities and pretended to be somebody else in order to secure government services they are not entitled to, that makes it even more difficult to know how many there are.

As far as the content of the proposed law, nobody has actually read the whole thing from cover to cover, so everybody relies on somebody else's intepretation.

And knowing what laws already exist is a bad idea, since that would indicate that the existing laws actually exist, and would resolve our crisis IF THEY WERE ENFORCED.

But there appears to be an effort to obfuscate the data - on the actual number of illegals, on the actual content of the failed legislation, on the provisions of legislation already on the books, etc. Why is that?

There is even a effort to prevent the collection of such data. We have been trying to get legislation enacted in VA to start having hospitals, schools, law enforcement and state agencies to collect such data without penalizing the individuals, but just to gather the information. The ACLU, Dems, and ethnic interest groups have been thwarting such efforts. IMO the information would probably be devastating and there would be a huge reaction from the public once they understand what kind of resources are being expended supporting people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Unless you live in a cave or some remote area of the US, you only have to look around you to see how significant the demographic changes have been in just a decade or so. Today, one in every 8 residents of America is foreign born and will soon approach one in 7, the highest it has ever been in our history. You can't hide at least 36 million people.

This issue is not going away. It is the elephant in the room and growing larger every day. No matter how much spin the politicians use to disguise what is happening, it boils down to whom do you believe, the politicians or your own lying eyes? Grassroots organizations are springing up all over Virginia and the rest of the country. We are committed to taking our government back from the political elites of both parties who are disconnected from reality. "For they sow the wind, and they will reap the whirlwind."