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What's the Rush?
ProLifeblogs ^ | June 27 2007 | plb

Posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

Edited on 07/02/2007 4:50:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

That's the question Bobby Schindler asked in the case involving Jesse Ramirez, the Arizona man whose case paralleled that of Schindler's sister, Terri Schiavo, until Ramirez woke up. The Arizona Republic reports:

...Bobby Schindler of the Florida-based Terri Schindler Shiavo Foundation placed the blame on a medical establishment quick to dismiss patients with brain injuries.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

"What is the rush?" he asked. "This is not the first time we've heard of cases like this where doctors want to write off the chance of recovery, and the family, when they're told this, will make a decision to end a person's life.

"In the case of Mr. Ramirez, he'd be dead now."

Why is Jesse alive? His family sought legal intervention with the help of the Alliance Defense Fund:
His siblings and parents refused to give him up for dead, and today, Jesse Ramirez is alive and conscious.

Two weeks ago, he was the center of a family battling over of whether he should live or die.

Now, he can hug and kiss, nod his head, answer yes and no questions, give a thumbs-up sign and sit in a chair.

Related:

A Miracle for Jesse Ramirez and His Family

Jesse Ramirez Conscious, Moved To Rehab Facility

Accident victim awakens


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: civilrights; giannajessen; jebbush; jesseramirez; jgreer; medialies; parentsrights; schindler; terridailies; terrischiavo
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To: nicmarlo

:-)


261 posted on 07/16/2007 2:36:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Brownback Schindler followup...

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Anti-abortion activism is the best known facet of the movement, but Bobby Schindler focused on issues surrounding euthanasia as he campaigned on behalf of Brownback.

Schindler discussed his sister, Terri Schiavo, who was the focus of a legal controversy more than two years ago when doctors removed her from life support. Schiavo had suffered cardiac arrest approximately 15 years earlier, causing her to fall into what Schindler describes on his website as "a severely compromised neurological state" and what physicians described as a persistent vegetative state.

Schiavo's husband won the right to have her feeding tube removed in March 2005, and she died that month.

"The tragedy is the fact that I even have to be here tonight to speak to you and even that you know who I am," Schindler said. "It's evidence of what's happening in our culture that our family had to fight so hard just to try to bring Terri home and take care of her."

He decried what he sees as America's acceptance of a "quality of life standard," which, he argued, leads to the devaluation of the lives of the disabled.

"The laws have been changed to make it easier to kill someone like my sister," Schindler said. "The 'persistent vegetative state' diagnosis was created to make it easier to kill somebody."

Brownback backers rail against 'devaluation of life'

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262 posted on 07/16/2007 2:53:48 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> "The 'persistent vegetative state' diagnosis was created to make it easier to kill somebody."

He's right. The diagnosis scarcely has any purpose other than to kill the patient. "Brain dead" was invented as a means for harvesting body parts. Dr. Frankenstein needed fresh organs.

263 posted on 07/16/2007 3:41:01 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Schiavo had suffered cardiac arrest approximately 15 years earlier, causing her to fall into what Schindler describes on his website as "a severely compromised neurological state" and what physicians described as a persistent vegetative state.

This is a college writer. He's already taking the lazy way and repeating media lies. Terri just keeled over practically dead one night with her heart stopped. How convenient for her assailant that the media protect him this way.

264 posted on 07/16/2007 3:49:35 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit; All

I should have noted that is a subscriber site. If you go to read the article you can, but if you try to go back, it is blocked for your browser unless you register or use another browser.


265 posted on 07/16/2007 4:02:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
This is in ProLifeBlogs...

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Healthcare providers stopped feeding Terri Schiavo for the purpose of ending her life. Terri's brother, Bobby Schindler, and Presidential candidate Sam Brownback called this "killing" today at West Des Moines' Crossroads Fellowship Church (this article ). I agree with them. "Her life remained sacred to the very end," Brownback was quoted by the Desmoines Register as saying. "Whether it's a child in the womb or it's somebody that has had a very difficult situation...she nonetheless remains a person and she shouldn't be artificially, or by humans, terminated. Instead, we should protect these lives."

Was she killed or not?

8mm

266 posted on 07/16/2007 4:08:08 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> I should have noted that is a subscriber site.

I found that out too, but hey, it was only my sense of duty to Terri that prodded me to read biased writing like this. We can all get along nicely without reading page two. For that matter, we can all get along nicely by going to a baseball game instead of reading anything in the MSM.

267 posted on 07/17/2007 2:13:36 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Was she killed or not?

Odd question. Terri was incapable of killing herself in any usual sense. Michael killed her. George Felos killed her. George Greer killed her. Deborah Bushnell killed her. Scott Schiavo and Joan Schiavo killed her.

268 posted on 07/17/2007 2:20:52 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
This story on Michael Schiavo is on a separate thread by monomaniac. Thanks, BykrBayb.

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The Federal Election Commission in Washington has fined the political action committee created by Terri Schiavo's former husband. After ordering her painful two-week-long starvation and dehydration death in March 2005, Michael Schiavo created the PAC to target pro-life lawmakers who tried to stop him from killing her.

The TerriPAC Michael created with his brother Brian Schiavo has frequently run afoul of the federal agency by failing to file its campaign finance reports on time or include all of the necessary information.

Because TerriPAC failed to properly file its October 2006 quarterly report properly, the FEC assessed the PAC a $1,350 civil money penalty. FEC records obtained by LifeNews.com find TerriPAC eventually paid the fine.

Federal Election Commission Fines Terri Schiavo's Ex-Husband's PAC

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269 posted on 07/17/2007 2:37:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; erton1
The cornerstone of personal autonomy, or "right to die" law, is informed consent. (See Cruzan, e.g.) Refusing medical care must be the patient's informed choice. In Terri's case, that was impossible because they changed the law to add PEG tubes to the definition of "life support." She couldn't have known she would suffer the hideous death of dehydration. She couldn't possibly have made an informed choice.

Professor O. Carter Snead, a law professor at Notre Dame and himself an advocate for the right to die movement, wrote an essay harshly criticizing the Greer court. He said its mishandling of the Schiavo case was a disaster and a severe set-back for the whole autonomy movement. I can't link to it but I can excerpt it here and there to show how shockingly bad George Greer's take on the law was. Here is a quotation:

"To the extent that the courts did take steps to discern Ms. Schiavo’s wishes, they did so in an unrigorous and unreliable manner, ignoring crucial procedural safeguards prescribed by the Florida guardianship laws. As a result, it is impossible to have any confidence that the conclusions reached by the courts accorded with Ms. Schiavo’s actual wishes. If the court’s order to terminate artificial nutrition and hydration was indeed a fulfillment of Ms. Schiavo’s subjective desires, this is a happy accident. It was manifestly not the result of a judicial process calculated to advance autonomy and self-determination. Mr. Schiavo’s legal efforts to discontinue artificial nutrition and hydration for his wife lasted seven years. However, throughout this entire period, there was only one evidentiary hearing (in 2000) devoted to the question of Ms. Schiavo’s wishes regarding life-sustaining measures. By any measure, the evidence presented at this hearing was scant, vague, and contradictory." [-- Prof. O. Carter Snead]

270 posted on 07/17/2007 2:41:38 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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More from LifeNews on Bobby Schindler...

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Cedar Rapids, IA (LifeNews.com) -- Terri Schiavo's brother Bobby Schindler appeared at a campaign stop over the weekend for Republican presidential candidate Sam Brownback. Schindler said he supports the Kansas senator's presidential bid because he respects the life of both the born and unborn -- something all politicians should embrace.

Schindler had endorsed Brownback previously but promised to campaign for him over the weekend as he emphasized his pro-life views and opposition to human rights abuses.

Terri's brother told the audience that the need for him to campaign with Brownback or support one political candidate when all should embrace life is a problem.

"The tragedy is the fact that I even have to be here tonight to speak to you and even that you know who I am," Schindler said. "It's evidence of what's happening in our culture that our family had to fight so hard just to try to bring Terri home and take care of her."

He said he applauded Brownback for standing against the "quality of life" standard which the medical community has used to devalue the lives of vulnerable patients like Terri who need legal protection and lifesaving medical care. That has led to the targeting of the disabled.

"The laws have been changed to make it easier to kill someone like my sister," Schindler said. "The 'persistent vegetative state' diagnosis was created to make it easier to kill somebody."

"The devaluation of human life leads to many, if not all, of the problems we see in our society today," Schindler added. "If we don't respect life, then how do we respect each other?"

During the event, Brownback talked about the impact Terri's life had on the euthanasia and assisted suicide debates.

"Her life remained sacred to the very end," Brownback said. "Whether it's a child in the womb or it's somebody that has had a very difficult situation ... she nonetheless remains a person and she shouldn't be artificially, or by humans, terminated. Instead, we should protect these lives," he explained.

Terri Schiavo Brother Campaigns for Sam Brownback, Discusses Disabled

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271 posted on 07/17/2007 2:43:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Federal Election Commission Fines Terri Schiavo's Ex-Husband's PAC

I am shocked, shocked, I tells ye!

272 posted on 07/17/2007 2:43:36 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

That’s a fine thing.


273 posted on 07/17/2007 2:46:31 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> The TerriPAC Michael created with his brother Brian Schiavo has frequently run afoul of the federal agency by failing to file its campaign finance reports on time or include all of the necessary information.

Michael repeatedly ignored guardianship law requirements, but George Greer always let him get away with it. Finally a government agency has held Michael to account for at least one instance of his lawless behavior.

Of course there is still the mystery assailant who attacked his wife in 1990. Michael, the only other person present, was never seriously questioned about that so we don't know who injured Terri.

274 posted on 07/17/2007 2:51:20 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Fine and dandy.

Sounds like a law firm, doesn't it?

275 posted on 07/17/2007 2:53:39 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: All; floriduh voter; amdgmary
Readers, please note. This is a sort-of Chimpanzee blog hailing the virtues of Charlie and his cristy critters...

Other aspirants to the mansion in Tallahassee, two-termer Jeb Bush among them, have duly given lip service to environmental concerns as a matter of course, but when lobbyists for the land-razing industry's pushes came to shoves, Bush, ever aware of who was buttering his biscuits and a Florida developer for years himself, was about as green as fellow font of Floridiocy Katherine Harris is sane. Bush wasn't as baldly unconcerned as his fossil-fuel-industry whore of an older brother is, but Florida's problems continued to worsen over the eight years Jeb valiantly tried to keep control over possibly the most difficult state to govern of them all, occasionally stepping in a real turd, as he did when seeking to pin the blame for Terri Schiavo's "murder" on her husban.

Enter fellow Republican Crist. Miraculously, in just half a year, has hosted a global warming summit, issued directives intended to greatly reduce air pollution, moved toput solar panels on the Governor's Mansion, asked utility companies to build more windmill generators, and required all state vehicles to begin using biofuel blends such as ethanol. He appears serious about a plan to lower CO2 emissions to 1990 levels by 2025. It seems strange that he's a member of today's GOP, but Teddy Roosevelt, the most pro-environment president America has ever had, was a Repubican, so Crist is merely a throwback. And he's certainly the anti-Inhofe many of us have been hoping for.

The risen Crist

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276 posted on 07/17/2007 2:55:03 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; erton1
Was she killed or not? More from Law Professor O. Carter Snead:

"What, then, persuaded the reviewing courts that Ms. Schiavo’s desire was to decline life-sustaining measures under the circumstances? What quantum of proof was marshaled to demonstrate this proposition to the satisfaction of the most exacting evidentiary standard available in civil cases? A careful review of the record reveals a jarring truth: the evidence deemed “clear and convincing” in the Schiavo case was a veritable parade of every species of presumptively unreliable statement long rejected by courts across the nation called upon to adjudicate end of life disputes."

277 posted on 07/17/2007 2:59:06 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Chimpanzees are in fact genetically similar to humans, and all the more so when they hold political office.


278 posted on 07/17/2007 3:02:06 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: All
This short piece is telling in that it shows Bobby in a growing role, in this case, in this case stepping in for the Presidential Candidate at a campaign stop.

The 'Brownback for President Campaign' stopped through Siouxland. Senator Sam Brownback wasn't in Sioux City but pro-life activist Bobby Schindler was. Schindler is the late Terri Schiavo's brother.

Schiavo made headlines when her husband received court permission to remove her feeding tube while she was in a coma. Schindler was touting the senator's pro-life stance.

May Our Lord be by your side with each step, Bobby.

Brownback for President Campaign Stops in Siouxland

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279 posted on 07/17/2007 3:03:22 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

Could we suggest Charlie and the Chimps are a team?


280 posted on 07/17/2007 3:04:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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