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A Blow to Wine Snobs ['Two-buck Chuck' wins wine competition]
American Thinker ^ | June 30, 2007

Posted on 06/30/2007 7:34:35 PM PDT by John Jorsett

It isn't exactly David slaying Goliath, but an equally unexpected victory has stunned the California wine industry. The cheapest wine in California just won top honors in one of the top wine competitions. When the national media catches-up, you will see this news elsewhere.

"Two Buck Chuck" is the nickname for the extremely inexpensive wines sold exclusively in the Trader Joe's chain of grocery stores, which specialize in upscale foods at fairly downscale prices. Produced by Bronco Winery, part of the Franzia family's wine empire, Two Buck Chuck has roiled the domestic wine industry by putting out generally quite decent wines at a price everyone can afford. I have myself been a customer, by the case. Some I have used for cooking, some I have quaffed. I particularly have favored their Chardonnay. To me, a "good wine" is a wine that I enjoy.

But I never expected to read that Charles Shaw has won the California State Fair's Commercial Wine Competition as the best Chardonnay in California. Yet, that has just happened:

Shaw's California Chardonnay took first place for Best Chardonnay from California. To some in the clubby California wine community, that must seem like a Michelin's Red Guide giving three stars to a roadside hamburger stand.

The Chardonnay received 98 points, a double gold, with accolades of Best of California and Best of Class.
How is this possible? Several factors come into play here.

First, California has had a tremendous glut of Chardonnay grapes the past several harvests, with much excellent fruit simply rotting on the vines.  Over-planting happened when Chardonnay became quite a fad some years ago, only to see consumers get somewhat tired of it and move on to other more interesting varietals, particularly Sauvignon Blanc and Pinot Grigio. So Charles Shaw was able to get an adequate supply of good Chardonnay grapes at a low price.

Second, way too much Chardonnay on the market has been subjected to too much aging in young oak barrels, imparting an oaky flavor. That was the fad, stoked by certain well-known wine critics. Additionally, too many winemakers have utilized too much malolactic fermentation, producing a buttery flavor. For some reason, this, too, has been quite a fad. I prefer to taste grapes more than oak, and like a cleaner flavor in my white wines. So I have not bought a lot of expensive Chardonnay.

Third, Bronco Winery has done a fantastic job driving the costs out of wine making, using its purchasing leverage to obtain the lowest costs, and operating on a huge scale. And I say, God bless ‘em. They must be awfully smart to be able to pull off this feat.

By comparison,
Sunset Cellars, the tiny winery in which I am a partner (and which has won a number of top honors in this same wine competition) pays more than $2 a bottle for glass, corkage, and bottling costs, before we even begin to pay for the wine itself. Of course, we use top quality bottles and corks, and operate at such a small scale that we have no leverage at all on price. Our wines, which are hand-made, retail on average for about 10 times the cost of Two Buck Chuck. We also pay top dollar for the best grapes - no doubt at least ten times on average what Bronco pays for its Chardonnay grapes. (When we are able to get cheaper grapes of high quality, we charge less for our wine, by the way.)

Fourth, by selling directly to TJs, Bronco avoids the extra margin wholesale liquor distributors require. I am told that in states where Bronco is unable to get a liquor distribution license and has to use a wholesaler, the price goes to three dollars a bottle at retail. But this is based on industry gossip, and I can't cite any authority. I have only shopped for it in California, where the price is two bucks.

Fifth, the California State Fair Commercial Wine Competition is known for being one the less wine-snobby competitions.
The California State Fair competition is dismissed by some critics as representing broad-based consumer tastes rather than the palates of true wine connoisseurs. But [G.M. "Pooch"] Pucilowski, who has organized the competition for more than two decades, said he draws judges from a number of professions, including winemakers and restaurant owners.
Even considering all these factors, it is somewhat miraculous that Charles Shaw has won this award.

Incidentally, I fully agree with Bill Franzia of Bronco, who says:
"The restaurants are overcharging consumers for wine. If we could just get restaurants to sell wine at $10 a bottle, or $2.50 a glass, or less, heaven forbid. If I can sell 'em to Trader Joe's for $2 a bottle, and they can get five glasses out of it, you'd think they could sell it for $2.50 a glass and make consumers happy."
Generally speaking, restaurants sell wine at double the retail price, which makes it a luxury item with dinner. In some countries, like Italy, where wine is expected to be part of the meal, markups are much lower. Of course, this means raising food prices a bit to supply the extra income lost from wine, since many restaurants break even on food and make their real profits on the liquor sales. So the approach only works where most poeple expect to drink wine with their meals, or where a restaurant is able to make money on its food.

I hope that restaurants start taking Bill Franzia's advice. It would do the wine industry a lot of good if people could sample wines with their meals without spending $10 a glass for the privilege.

In the meantime, if you are in one of the states where Trader Joe's operates, you might consider picking up a case of their Chard - it makes for terrific summertime drinking.

And once you start enjoying Two Buck Chuck Chardonnay, give a try to some of the other fine wines out there. You will discover that there's a lot of interesting differences among various wines. There's no one "best" wine, but rather lots of interesting approaches to making this ancient and honorable beverage, including the approach of Bill Franzia, whom I enthusiastically salute.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: alcohol; california; oenology; traderjoes; wine
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To: proxy_user

Nor would anyone mistake a bottle of 1984 Gaja Barbaresco for $4 Buck Chuck Cabaret....


81 posted on 07/01/2007 7:07:26 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: John Jorsett

Well, FINALLY, I know what “Two-buck Chuck” is. I’ve seen it referenced on FR for years.

Our Trader Joe’s in Annapolis doesn’t sell any alcoholic beverages, as far as I can tell.


82 posted on 07/02/2007 3:30:51 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: John Jorsett

Dang!!! Look for the price to go up now...


83 posted on 07/02/2007 11:13:32 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: BluH2o
I drink more than my share of wine. I’ve visited wineries all over the world...Anyone trying to pass this abysmal wine off as a great find doesn’t know crap about wine.

You're not one of those "snobs" to which this article refers - are you?

8^)

84 posted on 07/02/2007 11:20:01 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Clemenza

Many of your good Australian wines are using screwcaps. It drives the neophyte snobs crazy.


85 posted on 07/02/2007 11:20:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: John Jorsett
By the last breath of the four winds that blow
I'll have revenge upon Fortunato.
Smile in his face, I'll say, "Come, let us go.
I've a cask of Two-buck Chuck's Merlot."

You who are rich and whose troubles are few
May come around to see my point of view
What price the crown of a king on his throne
When he's buying wine from Trader Joe?

86 posted on 07/02/2007 12:02:16 PM PDT by Ignatz (Did you know that before the internal combustion engine, there was no weather at all?)
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To: jonno
You're not one of those "snobs" to which this article refers - are you?

No ... but I make no apologies for knowing what a good Chard should taste like and '2 buck chuck' doesn't come close. Trader Joe does have other wines ... many of them excellent.

87 posted on 07/02/2007 2:47:51 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: John Jorsett

My daughter picked up some this week and tells us it is a good as any $30 bottle she has tried.

I’m a beer drinker, so it means nothing to me.


88 posted on 07/04/2007 12:23:49 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: quantim
California State Fair Commercial Wine Competition is known for being one of the less wine-snobby competitions.

It does have that reputation, and has designated some very undeserving wines.

89 posted on 07/10/2007 12:25:18 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: mamelukesabre

I’ve never been much of a wine drinker, and even less now, but even I know MD is Mogen-David (or perhaps it’s Magen-David).


90 posted on 11/21/2007 4:15:52 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Ignatz

“What price the crown of a king on his throne
When he’s buying wine from Trader Joe? “

I’m gonna tell Alan you said that!!!

;)


91 posted on 11/21/2007 4:23:35 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: BluH2o
BS ... I drink more than my share of wine. I’ve visited wineries all over the world ... Napa Valley, Australia, New Zealand, and more recently South Africa. I can tell you from personal experience that ‘two buck chuck sucks’ ... period the end. Anyone trying to pass this abysmal wine off as a great find doesn’t know crap about wine.

Made this comment back in early July (see post #42) ... it still stands.

92 posted on 11/21/2007 4:28:44 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: Old Student

See post 44. This thread is a bit old. I suppose I’ll see your response in about a half year?


93 posted on 11/21/2007 4:33:39 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
I’d like to see beer sold the same way. Well, sort of. It would have to be somewhat different since beer is pressurized.

You mean something like this:


94 posted on 11/21/2007 4:50:35 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Yes. I like those. But when I posted that, those things were not in grocery stores yet.

However, the prices on those heineken minikegs are way too high. There should be a significant price break over bottles and cans. Years ago, budweiser was sold in “party balls”. Those were a good deal.


95 posted on 11/21/2007 4:58:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Old Student
Thank God someone FINALLY got that, lol!
Kudo's to you, my FReeper FRiend!

Btw, I saw APP in concert several (many?) years ago. Awesome show!

96 posted on 11/29/2007 10:00:54 AM PST by Ignatz (There's no place like 127.0.0.1....there's no place like 127.0.0.1....)
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To: mamelukesabre

Nope, ‘bout a week...

But was appropriate for how long ago I last saw a bottle of MD 20/20...

Long, long ago, and far, far away, in another universe.

;)


97 posted on 11/29/2007 1:20:20 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Ignatz
I’ve never seen them in concert, and never had the opportunity to do so. I envy you, FRiend.

I do have every cd of theirs I can lay hands on, though. Believe I still have four or five of their albums, too.

98 posted on 11/29/2007 1:23:09 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: John Jorsett
Two Buck UpChuck bump!
99 posted on 11/29/2007 1:25:37 PM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: John Jorsett

I prefer Champipple


100 posted on 11/29/2007 1:32:37 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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