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Why the FairTax Army Grows
Americans For Fair Taxation ^ | June 22, 2007 | Ken Hoagland

Posted on 06/29/2007 5:17:36 PM PDT by Man50D

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To: MattinNJ
Is Rodney Frelinghausen R-NJ, on board?

No but you may want to contact his office to ask his position on the Fair Tax.
121 posted on 07/01/2007 4:34:30 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: The Pack Knight
Incomes did rise over the 90s, and it's certainly likely that the increased tax burden of employees provided upward pressure on the supply side of the labor market.

That's an interesting argument.

Do you disagree that the FairTax is going to be revenue neutral, or do you think all those greedy corporations are going to experience some windfall profits?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

You know, you have a rather irritating way of making an argument. I'm not taking a quiz or doing your thinking for you.

Well, on the Federal level, the only taxes I can think of are the corporate income tax and the company's portion of Social Security. If you can't come up with additional Federal taxes, then prices may not fall as much as some FairTaxers are claiming.

122 posted on 07/01/2007 6:39:44 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FR Conspiracy Theorists and goldbugs so dumb?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If you say so. Why don't you explain again how cascading turns the 3% (approximate) economy wide Federal corporate income tax into a cost of 8.58% (in only 3 steps!) to the economy. That was funny
Not only that but using his logic and calculations (that's a laugh in itself) if there are enough stages we can get over 100% price reductions by replacing the income tax with the Fairtax.
123 posted on 07/01/2007 9:00:56 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
Not only that but using his logic and calculations (that's a laugh in itself)

When I called him on that, he said they were someone else's calculations. LOL!

Now he won't show me (or can't) how this so called cascading works. Did he defend it before? Being new to these threads, I don't know where everyone is, historically.

if there are enough stages we can get over 100% price reductions by replacing the income tax with the Fairtax.

The good news is, with all those stages, corporate profits could be over 300% of GDP. Buy stock!!!

124 posted on 07/01/2007 9:09:36 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FR Conspiracy Theorists and goldbugs so dumb?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Historically, we’ve been over cascading many many times- not to mention any other aspect of the FairTax that you want to try to pick apart. It’s so simple, I’m amazed that it’s even an issue.

But some people don’t like to listen, because they have a vested interest in maintaining the income tax scheme. So this stupid chain-jerking debate continues.


125 posted on 07/01/2007 9:13:47 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: The Pack Knight; Toddsterpatriot
The embedded tax burden we refer to is reflected in all three: lower wages, higher prices, and lower profits.
Hmmm, lower profits in a record high stock market being bought with lower wages...interesting.
126 posted on 07/01/2007 9:27:08 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: The Pack Knight; Toddsterpatriot
Do you disagree that the FairTax is going to be revenue neutral, or do you think all those greedy corporations are going to experience some windfall profits?
You'll have to explain how the corporation removed from the tax rolls, greedy or not, would play a roll in the revenue neutral scheme of things.

Were you saying something about quizzing?

127 posted on 07/01/2007 9:33:04 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Did he defend it before? Being new to these threads, I don't know where everyone is, historically.
Not only he, but they all will defend every lie and falsehood uttered about their Fairtax..it's a cult thing....You know, one lies the other one swears to it.

And of course if you question them, there's the constant drum beat from the numbskulls of "you're for the staus quo".

128 posted on 07/01/2007 9:40:15 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: ovrtaxt; Toddsterpatriot
Historically, we’ve been over cascading many many times-
Great, then you should have no problem showing a viable example of how it works. That and not any Fairtax bullshit is what he wants to see.

This is where I'm told it's been posted hundreds of times and you aren't going to waste your time trying to explain it again (which would really be explaining it for your first time).

129 posted on 07/01/2007 9:45:48 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: ovrtaxt
Historically, we’ve been over cascading many many times

Great. Do you agree that the tax on corporate profits is about 3% of total sales? If not, what % of sales have you determined it to be? Thanks.

130 posted on 07/01/2007 10:03:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FR Conspiracy Theorists and goldbugs so dumb?)
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To: lewislynn
You'll have to explain how the corporation removed from the tax rolls, greedy or not, would play a roll in the revenue neutral scheme of things.

Corporations don't pay taxes, they're just pieces of paper. People ultimately pay taxes. When corporations are taxed, the ones who pay for it are investors with lower dividends and capital gains (which are then taxed again), employees with lower wages (which are then taxed again), and customers with higher prices. Because no individual writes the check out of his own account, the cost is hidden from the people who actually pay it. One purpose of the FairTax is to move that tax burden from several hidden taxes to one overt tax.

People on average will shoulder the same tax burden they do now. It will simply be collected in a different, more transparent, more efficient manner.
131 posted on 07/02/2007 6:08:09 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
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To: lewislynn
Lower than they would have been without the tax. Taxes are an important force in the economy, but they're far from the only force. Luckily, we live in a country that experiences a great deal of economic growth, which generally outweighs the damage done by taxation.

Do you actually think taxes on businesses don't cause lower wages, higher prices, and lower profits than would exist otherwise? If so, then maybe we should raise those taxes, since it would be free money for government programs. Then we could end taxes on individuals for good!
132 posted on 07/02/2007 6:14:47 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
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To: Man50D

I will. he’s my congressman. Ialso take a run at Scott Garrett-He’s the congressman for NW NJ. Both are pretty conservative. If it wasn’t for Newark Camden and Trenton, NJ would be pretty Red.


133 posted on 07/02/2007 6:17:36 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson-I can't decide...but I'd vote for Rudy against Hillary)
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To: The Pack Knight
I think that a number of people here could stand to study the material at

http://fairtaxgroups.com/index.php

and find out what this Fair Tax is all about before they call it and its authors bad names.

Whadda you think>

134 posted on 07/07/2007 10:20:53 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
I think I'm rather surprised to see this many people wedded to the idea of an income tax in this forum. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, though it's always best that that opinion be an informed one.

http://fairtaxgroups.com/index.php
135 posted on 07/07/2007 1:35:36 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
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To: The Pack Knight
http://fairtaxgroups.com/index.php

Go there rather often to get the latest.

Took a look at your profile -- when are you going to publish that info here on the forum?

136 posted on 07/07/2007 2:27:54 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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