Posted on 06/29/2007 8:32:01 AM PDT by gondramB
The U.S. Senate definitively rejected President George Bush's immigration bill on Thursday, just hours after senators expressed deep misgivings with portions that would have expanded the use of a national ID card.
Because the procedural vote was 46 to 53, with 60 votes needed to advance the immigration legislation, the proposal is likely to remain dead for the rest of the year.
Privacy advocates were quick to claim that a vote against Real ID cards the previous evening doomed the bill.
Wednesday's vote showed that senators were willing to delete the portion of the labyrinthine immigration bill that would require employers to demand the Real ID cards from new hires. Because some of the bill's backers had insisted that the ID requirement remain in place--as a way to identify illegal immigrants--they were no longer as willing to support the overall bill.
"The proponents of national ID in the Senate weren't getting what they wanted, so they backed away," said Jim Harper, a policy analyst at the free-market Cato Institute who opposes Real ID. "It was a landmine that blew up in their faces."
In a press release, the two Montana Democrats, Max Baucus and Jon Tester, said they were happy that a pro-privacy approach killed the bill. "If Jon and I just brought down the entire bill, that's good for Montana and the country," said Baucus, who cosponsored the amendment deleting the employer verification rule.
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I have seen several. It does indeed tell you cannot fire the person.
Use directional mines! ;-)
Perfect link thanks.
Oregon Ping to how our Senators voted.
Smith (R) Yes
Wyden (D) No
>>National ID didn’t kill the bill - amnesty along with all the socialist entitlements did. It infuriated the population in general, and as a result, the Senators couldn’t sneak it through despite two attempts.
People are tired of carrying America’s own deadwood - they certainly don’t want to start carrying those from other countries as well.<<
I’ve got to say this was one of the sneakiest things I’ve seen done by congress. I would not be unhappy to see new Republican leadership.
Oops My mistake.
Grassfire did have a clickable link the $15 dollars was to support the groups efforts.
Had to go back and re look at that so I was wrong.
Sorry for the misinformation.
Slashdot was trying to push this conspiracy theory crap last night. Real ID never came into it. Amnesty killed this bill.
The out cry of Americans helped kill it a whole hell of a lot.
>>Slashdot was trying to push this conspiracy theory crap last night. Real ID never came into it. Amnesty killed this bill.<<
I wish Iwas confident that congress gets that.
I get the feeling the leadership thinks they just didn’t explain it right to us little people.
Yes, we are. Sick of never "getting ahead" because we pay taxes through May, no matter how many promotions or raises we get, it's never enough because the government's hand just gets bigger and bigger. I would just like to go to a movie or dinner here and there; is that too much to ask? Between the skyrocketing city taxes, property taxes, not to mention the federal, it's outrageous. And for what? Mostly the lazy and/or drugged up Americans, or the illegal aliens and their monstrous families.
It's not only that of course, they're creating tremendous troubles that we didn't even used to have...why should we take on problems that we don't NEED?
MISDIRECTION: People were incited over the Z VISA AMNESTY. Even though most senators would vote for it.
THE REAL ID ACT WAS PASSED IN 2005.
“The proponents of national ID in the Senate weren’t getting what they wanted, so they backed away,” said Jim Harper, a policy analyst at the free-market Cato Institute who opposes Real ID. “It was a landmine that blew up in their faces.”
MISDIRECTION: CATO IS PRO OPEN BORDERS. I regret supporting their organization, as I didnt realize that they were in the tank that much for open borders.
>>Have you seen an actual letter informing the employer of the SS problem? I don’t have one in front of me, but it says explicitly that you can’t use the letter as a reason to fire the employee and there are penalties possible if you do.<<
You can thank Ted Kennedy for that particular piece of idiocy.
“They can counterfeit a card. An embedded chip, an ankle bracelet, and a bar code on the forehead (and on the body, too in case Islamists have retained the head) as well as various passwords and mother’s maiden name would possibly make a difference.”
They cant counterfeit a database, which makes this somewhat a misdirected issue. The secure ID is to make sure the ID matches the person. But the database has to be tracking the person as well, and verifies that the person is real, legal, etc.
These privacy concerns are imho bunk. We *NEED* secure IDs when we drive, or do we prefer to be hit in accidents by people with fake IDs. If we can get it right for driving, why not for driving, voting and working all together?
“Having defeated “CIR” the field is opened somewhat for these actions.”
THIS IS WHY THE CHEAP LABOR LOBBY WAS DESPERATE TO PASS SOMETHING.
This anti Real ID is a bunch of paranoid BS...
“The REAL ID Act establishes a national ID card by mandating that states include certain minimum identification standards on driver’s licenses. “ That’s what Ron Paul says.
As if this is a bad thing.
Do we want driver’s licenses to be issued to illegal aliens?
Were you happy to know that one of hte 19 WTC 9/11 suicide attackers was able to get a Virginia driver’s license, even though he had no legal right to get one?
Are you *really* worried that a better, more secure driver’s license based ID would doom American freedom?
The ACLU is out to destroy USA in many ways. if they are against it, rethink your view that it is wrong.
I really don’t understand the process but Senator DeMint was on the Laura Ingraham radio show this morning and also credited the Baucus amendment with the downfall of the bill.
Somehow, when the amendment passed it created a wedge to lure others to a NO to cloture.”
What happened was that anti-immigration senators outfoxed Reid and the clay-pigeon-immigration side. The clay pidieon strategy was to march through the amendments, table them all, and then get the amendments they wanted passed voted on. Problem was, there were enough liberals to vote against real ID plus enough conservative senators who swtiched to gum up the works, that the strategy was derailed.
Then they had to go to cloture vote with the bill worse off this week than it was at the beginning of June.
Similarly back then, it was conservatives jumping in to make the bill less palatable (by curtailing temporary worker program via the Dorgan amendment), that derailed the bill.
Don’t credit the Real ID amendment. Credit Sessions, DeMint, Vitter, Coburn, Cornyn, Dole, and a few others who did the right thing and defeated the bill.
Two birds...One stone???
I’m hip to it...
Not just what the people are demanding, but what our sovereign nation's Constitution demands.
How is it that they have forgotten words of truly great men, such as Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address:
"It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
Or words written by other great and honorable men in the document that ignited the fire of America's very existence, in The Declaration of Independence
..." We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
..."In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."
I agree, and the ID card should have a thumb print on it....................When you vote they scan your thumb and scan the ID card to see if you are really the person on the ID............then, they enter the thumb print into a database to see if you are legally registered to vote and whether you have already voted..................if this were done, the democrats would be hard pressed to win very many elections..........
Oh, yeah, only paper ballots, no voting machines or computer ballots.
Drivers licenses are already being issued to illegal aliens...and there’s nothing Real ID will do to stop it. The provision does NOT prohibit states from issuing licenses to illegals. It only makes states ID’s that refuse to comply not acceptable to the Federal Gov’t as ‘valid ID’
Do you really think that the ‘sanctuary’ states are going to comply with this act’s provisions? Nope, they’ll go right on doing issuing DL’s to illegals. California’s already mulling over whether to just forego their driver’s licenses being able to be accepted nationally....apparently they’d rather cater to the illegals. Several states have flat out said ‘hell no’ just because the bill lacks any checks and balances against abuse by the feds themselves. Missouri, Montana, and Georgia, to name a few, all have provisions on the table to reject compliance.
Illegals will still be able to get a driver’s license, then get a phony social security card, and they’ll still be able to get jobs with em, which will keep ‘em comin here until the borders are secured. Real ID does not prohibit that outright.
This law is a complete ruse for a trackable National ID card...to keep tabs on who? *US* - that’s who.
Just another one that your Federal Gov’t managed to pass over on you....like the amnesty bill. Unfortunately, most conservatives failed to cry foul over this one.
You should read up on what this bill actually does/doesn’t do, before simply crying ‘paranoia!’.
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