The System is Rigged. What Can "We The People" Do About It?

n/a ^ | 6/29/2007 | A Navy Vet

[A Navy Vet]

As the title implies, it appears more and more that our Constitutional Republic is becoming more corrupt by the day through back-room bribes and under-handed dealings regarding the Senate "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" package.

Currently, the Senate and the Executive Branch is efforting to force this legislation that will completely negate our system of justice by undermining our legal immigrations system and giving "special treatment" (amnesty) to those who have wait their turn.

I have long fought against "illegal immigration" in many ways and for many years. But I never believed that our Fedgov would so actively work to undermine what our Founding Fathers fought and died for (American sovereigny), not to mention the 10's of thousands who have died and been maimed for said ideals.

It's become painfully obvious to me with this monstrous and sovereign destroying collaboration between President Bush, Senator Kennedy, Senator McCain and many others, that our very existence as Republic will experience the final socialist nail in the coffin.

Even the most intellectually challenged can see how it will only help to increase the invasion of foreign nationals. And just how many foreign nationals do we need.

Here's a question that NO ONE, I mean NO ONE has ever answered in all my postings on the Internet: Just how many more of the planet Earth's oppressed should we take in every year? 500,000?; 1,000,000?; 2,000,000?; 4,000,000?; 8,000,000?; 16,000,000?; 32,000,000?

HOW MANY? How many will it take to degrade our amazing American standard of living? This is not rocket science. It's simple arithimetic.

So what do we do? Even if the House kills this obscenity, what do we do with these Senators who have pushed it? Attempting to vote them out of office rarely works. People are greedy and love the pork their Reps bring home.

So what to do? I don't believe in insurrection, but I have no problem with those who would use misdemeanors to get attention. I am not encouraging same. However, keep in mind how effective sit-ins and paint splashings (not on public property) and such have been for the liberal/marxists in the past. There are other ways to demean and dishonor those in Congress who dishonor us.

Again, I don't encourage illegal methods, but those who would make a point to counter the advancing socialism and totalitarian efforts of our so-called Senators, I would be tickled to see.

Got ideas? Or are you just going to keep going over to the local neighborhood polling place and push the button for the lessor of the evils? If so, then enjoy your slow decline into one more self-absorbed country that died within. Time to act, or cower in your living room with the latest reality show. Just know, there are actions you can take.

[A Navy Vet]

"Do some of your own research into Vaclav Havel (Czech) and non-political, apolitical and anti-political politics (seen all three words translated from his work). Avoid and/or revise anything about violence or illegal activities, of course. Then you’ll know. ...all legal and effective. It’s really a psychological (in practice—not lefty psychoanalysis) general negativity game more than anything else."

That is probably the biggest amount of gobblygook I have read on any Internet board. But thanks for the yucks...

[A Navy Vet]

" This nation was founded on Christian principles, trusting God for His protection, guidance and wisdom. When I read this article... the first thing that popped into my head was a verse (2 Chronicles 7:14) "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." This may sound simplistic.....but really....what have we got to lose? We can and WILL forge ahead.... doing everything humanly possible to eliminate the abject evil in our political processes.... but let's not forget WHO gave us our freedom and prosperity to begin with.....and in WHOSE hand it is possible to redeem our land."

Well, being an Agnostic, what has any of that do with my article? Praise who you like. Personally, I adhere to the old adage, "Do unto others...". You know why? Because whether humans were born of God or evolved, we all have the same feelings. I know when I hurt...I don't want others to hurt, also.

[A Navy Vet]

" Nah. Two vanities. Nothing of value here. Just crap."

Cool. So that means you won't post anything else on this thread, right?

[WorkerbeeCitizen]

This is a good article and a good discussion.

The Federalist and anti-Federalist papers are some of favorite reading.

Your statement,
"Point is, we should use the FF's INTENT to counter those who would fight our original "traits" on every occassion. I know it's difficult to explain to a layman, but that's the point of my article. Either we convince them or we find another way around the power-grabbing Senate. We are re-living Rome"

is spot on in my opinion. In a lot of ways, we are following the path of Rome.

[freekitty]

Try to dry up their grafting ways. The only way to get rid of these fools is to get rid of the graft. I know that will never completely happen; but it’s a good place to start.

First of all, even if it’s not completely true; why are all of these politicians allegedly getting so rich?

[Bogtrotter52]

Things being what they are I think ‘08 is going to the Dems as many of us are fed up enough to throw the rascals out. If the Dems get 4 or even 8 years it will be a time of rebuilding either the GOP or a new party. With the Dems screwing up BIG TIME, as they are sure to do people will have seen whata mistake they made putting them in office. Of course, cleaning up after their failed social engineering in many hours will be difficult.

[teldon30]

“it has been a eye opener”
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Truth Bump!

[LaineyDee]

Well, being an Agnostic, what has any of that do with my article?

My post has to do with a higher power(God the Father) superseding any man/men who try to thwart what HE has put into place....i.e. this One Nation under God.

"Do unto others"... is a biblical principle from Matthew 7:12 ..."So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

[familyop]

"That is probably the biggest amount of gobblygook I have read on any Internet board. But thanks for the yucks..."

Sincerely, that's an interesting reply. I was referring to some of the history about convincing ("non")political speech and activism (with emphasis on the nonviolent part) that helped Czechoslovakia to become a free republic. Our Government was helping with that and most other such efforts before Reagan was in office. ...public knowledge.

[teldon30]

wish we could say “If you like what Rush Limbaugh is saying so much, why don’t you encourage him to challenge my boss in an election?”

6/27/2007 - 6:44 pm

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Arrogant aren’t they? ;)

[familyop]

One good way to heal our current national malaise would be to spread insensitivity through all public discussions. It would eventually affect business and government offices. With that, we could eventually legally and honorably get all of the corporate-minded, limp-wristed effeminates out of our insecure security offices. ...would make for a much better defense for our nation.

[A Navy Vet]

"Things being what they are I think ‘08 is going to the Dems as many of us are fed up enough to throw the rascals out. If the Dems get 4 or even 8 years it will be a time of rebuilding either the GOP or a new party. With the Dems screwing up BIG TIME, as they are sure to do people will have seen whata mistake they made putting them in office. Of course, cleaning up after their failed social engineering in many hours will be difficult."

Okay. You keep thinking that there is a difference between the political parties. I don't mean to be insulting, but George and Co. are the sameo sameo. Can you not see that?

[familyop]

Ann Coulter is doing a pretty good job of that—for a chick. ...need more men with at least enough courage principle to do it.

[A Navy Vet]

"Here's a question that NO ONE, I mean NO ONE has ever answered in all my postings on the Internet: Just how many more of the planet Earth's oppressed should we take in every year? 500,000?; 1,000,000?; 2,000,000?; 4,000,000?; 8,000,000?; 16,000,000?; 32,000,000?"

I wish I had just one dollar for every time I've asked this question on Internet boards for years. NO ONE bothers to answer. Again, NO ONE!

[ZULU]

Change the terms of office of the House of Lords to a two or three year term.

Require each and every Congressman to provide a personal and spousal report on their assets before they run for office and at the termination of their period of service or before they run for office again.

Limit each and every Congressman to two consecutive terms of office and require them to sit out two intervening terms before they run for Congress again.

Only by breaking the chain of career politicians can this Republic be saved. And only by exposing those Congressmen who take payouts from special interest groups can we prevent what we are seeing now - the arrogance of the Administration and the members of the House of Lords in insisting in forcing down the throats of the American Public a bill that can only harm us, that the vast majority of us oppose, and that can only benefit certain special interest groups.

I think the President should also be subject to the requirement of submitting a personal asset statement.

[familyop]

"Change the terms of office of the House of Lords to a two or three year term."

..."House of Lords?" That's ate-up, but I like it!

[rockabyebaby]

Speaking for the state of MA, I can confidently tell you that the murderer kennedy will NEVER be voted out of office, he will die there, guaranteed, because, the people in MA don’t care what he does, they will continue to vote him in, don’t ask me why, I’m a repub, and I just don’t get it.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

For me, one of the most difficult things about all this has been to listen to my Democrat friends say, “we were right about Bush, admit it now!”

I have been a supporter of President Bush, put in many volunteer hours during his campaigns.... knowing in the back of my mind since the beginning that he leaned towards “One Wold Government” like his dad. But I knew he was our best hope and he certainly proved that after 9-11. I defended him staunchly when my Democrat friends denigrated him.

Now we are all painfully seeing the results of his “one world government” outlook. He is willing to give America away for Globalism. First merge North America, then the world... is that the plan?

So what do I say now when my Dem friends smirk and say, “we told you so!”... huh?

[spectre]

You tell your friends BOTH parties are corrupt.

It's time for our own Comprehensive Government Reform.

The system is broken, and must be fixed.

sw

[6ppc]

Just how many more of the planet Earth's oppressed should we take in every year?

I do not know tht answer to your question, but the answer can't be zero for one simple reason. We have a rapidly aging population that is beginning to retire. Our government, having failed to fix Social Security and having created huge, unsustainable entitlements must find a way to keep the ponzi scheme going. They know that if they tell us the truth and actually take steps to fix the problem the populace will scream bloody murder and they will be out of a job, so their solution is to open the floodgates and let in a flood of young workers to replace the retiring workforce.

What I don't understand is why they insist on giving away the farm in the process. I have no doubt we could institute a guest worker program where the workers paid taxes, including Social Security, with no chance of ever using those benefits, and they would still come in droves. We could have our cake and eat it too.

Actually, now that I think about it I do know why the democrats want this...the flood would be democrat voters. I don't understand why the pubbies are going along.