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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; narby
Narby: So why did the creationists transform themselves into IDers if they were winning the battles?

They didn't. The creationists are still creationists. The IDers are a whole 'nother group that has only become vocal for the past decade or so.

Evidence suggests Narby is right and you are wrong.

The Kitzmiller vs. Dover decision lays out all of the details. Here are some exerpts:


72 posted on 06/27/2007 1:09:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
Evidence suggests Narby is right and you are wrong.

If creationists transformed themselves into IDers, then why are the same old creationists who've been plugging away for decades still at it (except for Morris, who died last year)? ID is a new camp of writers and thinkers who may have arisen in response to said court decision, but to say that they themselves ARE the creationists relabeled is logically and factually incorrect.

Narby's statement suggests a tit-for-tat carryover of the creationists to the ID camp. Such carryover did not occur, which is why there are still the same creationists (who, incidentally, are as often at odds with IDers as with evolutionists) regardless of what a judge who knew little to nothing about the issue had to say. The problem is simply that you, narby, and the judge in the Kitzmiller case, are confusing terms and conflating groups together because it is then easier to paint them with a broad brush rather than have to deal with them separately.

78 posted on 06/27/2007 1:19:38 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Thompson is Duncan Hunter without the training wheels)
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To: Coyoteman
One significant difference is that the words "God," "creationism," and "Genesis" have been systematically purged from ID explanations, and replaced by an unnamed "designer."

Seems like this would make it less specific to any religion.

Should the courts overturn laws against murder if one successfully demonstrates they were simply a relabeling of one of the Ten Commandments?

82 posted on 06/27/2007 1:26:44 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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