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To: RedStateRocker

You miss the important — critical, in fact — point that rural areas do not NEED regular wildfires to maintain a healthy ecosystem IF — and this is the “IF” that has just burned hunderds of people out of house and home — property owners have the freedom to clear deadwood and underbrush themselves.

When human property owners undertake to do the things that nature would otherwise use fire to do, then those fires are no longer necessary to the maintenace of a healthy forest. But environmentalists don’t WANT the humans to do the things that nature uses fire to do, because they worship nature and believe that, if the humans do the things that nature uses fire to do, that would be bad because it would be humans doing those things, not nature. They believe, in fact, that ONLY fire can do the things that nature uses fire to do, and that humans doing those things is discordant with nature, and insufficient to the achievement of the Utopian world they believe could exist if we always just sat back and let nature take its course. In this way, they believe, we will all achieve Nirvana.

The sane among us, however, have heard about Nirvana, and readily recognize it by it’s more common name: Hell.


52 posted on 06/26/2007 12:58:05 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: HKMk23
You miss the important — critical, in fact — point that rural areas do not NEED regular wildfires to maintain a healthy ecosystem IF — and this is the “IF” that has just burned hunderds of people out of house and home — property owners have the freedom to clear deadwood and underbrush themselves.

That's a pretty subjective definition of "healthy." There are a number of plants that require occasional fire to replenish the post disturbance seed bank; else dormancy fails and the plant is extirpated (along with its insect associates and their predators). Others need to have the decadent growth removed in order to rebalance. An example is the way oaks need their root crowns exposed and lower branches singed to reduce end weight.

While it may be possible to emulate the effects of fire, the entire system has been accustomed to periodic burning for thousands of years. It isn't a matter of simple thinning.

54 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: HKMk23
REading the article it says that there were no regulations against property owners creating defensible space and’or removing dead trees from their property.
I would like to see some factual data, either way, that areas that used to experience wildfires on a regular basis can maintain a healthy ecosystem by human intervention alone; I have always heard that the evidence for this is the native vegetation that requires fire to be able to germinate, but I could be wrong. But it just might be that there are some places people shouldn’t live, such as rural areas that burn on a regular basis; perhaps it’s just a dumb as rebuilding on New Orleans or areas of Florida that get whacked by hurricanes every year.
71 posted on 06/26/2007 2:54:31 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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