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Senator Norm Coleman to vote FOR Cloture!
6/26/07

Posted on 06/26/2007 9:20:00 AM PDT by MplsSteve

I just got off the phone with someone at Norm Coleman's office. I told them that I was a constituent as well as financial supporter.

I asked if they knew how the Senator was planning on voting.

I was informed that the Senator will vote for cloture today because he feels the 24 amendments should be voted upon.

As for final passage of the bill, I was told that he's still undecided.

I politely informed the staff person that I wasn't sure that I'd be around in 2008 (financially and volunteer-wise) if the Senator votes for cloture.

She sounded mildly exasperated when I said that. I'm sure her office has been taking a lot of calls from perturbed constituents. Apparently, it's not working out too well as Coleman will vote for cloture.

Comments or opinions - anyone?


TOPICS: US: Minnesota; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cloture; illegalimmigrantion; normcoleman; senate
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Seems like the newest “craze” for RINOs is going to be something I’m going to have to call “Suicide-by-Electorate”
If they are actually that stupid and feckless, their careers deserve to perish. THIS whole thing could start either a TRUE third party or a very dramatic re-vamping of the tenets and practices of the Republican Party. And we DON’T have to wait until the next election cycle to get the craven bastards out.


41 posted on 06/26/2007 10:28:28 AM PDT by supremedoctrine (The only thing sourdough bread is good for is a grilled cheese sandwich.For that, it's essential.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
It’s pretty hard to elect conservative Republicans in MN. I’ll take what I can get.

All I can say to this, as humbly as I can, is get of your ass and find a conservative to run, if not yourself, and elect them!

If I can find a conservative to run in VT, you can fine one in MN!

42 posted on 06/26/2007 10:29:29 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: NormsRevenge

How does the vote get to 64-35 with 8 not voting? Something is strange in the vote totals.


43 posted on 06/26/2007 10:59:46 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: sirchtruth
All I can say to this, as humbly as I can, is get of your ass and find a conservative to run, if not yourself, and elect them!

I've done my part. Both my senators voted against cluture.

44 posted on 06/26/2007 11:35:23 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MplsSteve

Just for accuracy.

Today’s vote was to bring the bill to the floor. Because the bill did not go through committee, they needed a vote to bring it to the floor. There is debate on that motion, as there is on everything, and the opponents would not agree to a unanimous consent request to end that debate and allow the vote.

So they filed ‘cloture’ on the debate to bring the bill to the floor. And that passed. Sometimes there’s more debate after cloture, but i think because this was a procedural move there is none, and the cloture vote allowed them to bring the bill to the floor.

Now the bill is debatable on the floor, and the opponents will keep debating forever. So Reid will file a cloture motion to end the debate ON the bill. A cloture motion to end debate has to sit for I think 2 days (through one complete legislative day), and then they can vote on it. And afterwards, unless unanimous consent is given for some other time period, they will have 30 more hours of debate.

I’m less clear of the clay pidgeon, but I think there’s a rule that you need 60 votes to make an amendment in order on the floor. By grouping the set of amendments together as one amendment, they can have the 60-vote run for that set of amendments, as a single amendment (otherwise it would take a long time and some wouldn’t get 60 and that would make people mad).

Then, having a single vote to get the amendment in order, they can then break the amendment up into it’s parts, so each one gets a straight up-or-down vote. In exchange for this, people are going to be asked to accept cloture, knowing that there amendment WILL be included because this trick ensures it.(included for debate, not for passage).

Of course, after THAT point, if your amendment fails you can vote against the bill, but they only need 50 to pass.

We need senators to oppose cloture until after THEIR AMENDMENTS ARE ACTUALLY VOTED ON AND APPROVED, rather than accepting just the promise of a vote.


45 posted on 06/26/2007 11:49:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MplsSteve

Just for accuracy.

Today’s vote was to bring the bill to the floor. Because the bill did not go through committee, they needed a vote to bring it to the floor. There is debate on that motion, as there is on everything, and the opponents would not agree to a unanimous consent request to end that debate and allow the vote.

So they filed ‘cloture’ on the debate to bring the bill to the floor. And that passed. Sometimes there’s more debate after cloture, but i think because this was a procedural move there is none, and the cloture vote allowed them to bring the bill to the floor.

Now the bill is debatable on the floor, and the opponents will keep debating forever. So Reid will file a cloture motion to end the debate ON the bill. A cloture motion to end debate has to sit for I think 2 days (through one complete legislative day), and then they can vote on it. And afterwards, unless unanimous consent is given for some other time period, they will have 30 more hours of debate.

I’m less clear of the clay pidgeon, but I think there’s a rule that you need 60 votes to make an amendment in order on the floor. By grouping the set of amendments together as one amendment, they can have the 60-vote run for that set of amendments, as a single amendment (otherwise it would take a long time and some wouldn’t get 60 and that would make people mad).

Then, having a single vote to get the amendment in order, they can then break the amendment up into it’s parts, so each one gets a straight up-or-down vote. In exchange for this, people are going to be asked to accept cloture, knowing that there amendment WILL be included because this trick ensures it.(included for debate, not for passage).

Of course, after THAT point, if your amendment fails you can vote against the bill, but they only need 50 to pass.

We need senators to oppose cloture until after THEIR AMENDMENTS ARE ACTUALLY VOTED ON AND APPROVED, rather than accepting just the promise of a vote.


46 posted on 06/26/2007 11:49:51 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MplsSteve
I just got a letter a few days ago from Normy asking for support against Al Franken, and I'm sure the timing of the letter had this move in mind.

So Ol Norm thinks he can hold me hostage by holding up Alf while he stabs us all in the back.

What a lowlife pos move sob!

Now what?

Well, I can't really support either one, but with Franken at least you know what you are getting.

I'm at a loss here and need to regroup, starting with a nastygram.

47 posted on 06/26/2007 11:51:32 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Minnesocold

Was that you I heard on Laura Ingraham’s show today? If it was, good job.

If not, it sure sounded like you. :)

I’m so hopping mad about Coleman’s yes vote I could spit nails. Time to make more phone calls.


48 posted on 06/26/2007 12:08:48 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: mplsconservative
Thanks for the compliment, but no, it wasn't me who called to Laura's show today. I missed the broadcast - what were highlights of the caller?

I think Norm will be experiencing serious backlash today. I pity the folks on the other end of the phone and computer...

49 posted on 06/26/2007 12:24:10 PM PDT by Minnesocold (We don’t need this new amnesty bill. Enforce the laws that are already there. Build the wall.)
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To: Minnesocold

Well, the caller had the same first name as you do and was from your locale, so my ears perked up. LOL

She was talking with Laura after the interview with Coleman’s spokesman, Tom Stewart. She basically said what we are all saying, “Not one more dime and no support if Coleman votes yes on cloture.”

I’m running the boy over to his cousin’s for a sleepover so I can have an unimpeded evening of calling and e-mailing. Let the backlash begin!


50 posted on 06/26/2007 12:54:03 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: MplsSteve
About all any of us can do is to keep the pressure on. So email today, call the Senator's local offices, repeat the process tomorrow. Make sure each person you speak to understands that you will be watching the next cloture vote on this bill and that you understand that the cloture vote is more important than the vote on the final bill.

And make sure that they know that your continued support of the Senator depends ENTIRELY on how he votes on this issue...and that, if he votes for cloture (again) you will work tirelessly to defeat him even if that means voting for a Democrat.

After all, what is the point in voting for a Republican who thinks he was put in office to pass Ted Kennedy's legislation.

Don't be rude. Be firm.
51 posted on 06/26/2007 12:54:12 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Lose his seat to Al Franken?

How about loses his seat to a conservative Republican?

52 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:35 PM PDT by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: CaptainK
Unfortunately Clinton and Schumer are my representative, so I haven't bothered to call.

So call someone else. Call the White House, call the RNC. Call the sponsors of this bill and the Republican Senate Leadership. Call your representative. Call the Republican House leadership. Call the Senators who might be swayed. Just look up an address/zip/area code in their district and call them and email them.

And just to annoy their staffs, call Clinton and Schumer. At least they won't be able to claim that no one in their state objected...

Quit twiddling your thumbs and start dialing.
53 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:35 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: Paleo Conservative
Oh, do you really want Al Franken in the US Senate?

If the amnesty bill passes, the people who entered this country illegally will become voters in eight years. They will vote overwhelmingly liberal. So if Coleman's vote allows the Amnesty bill to pass, it is only a matter of a few years before many Al Frankens are elected. So what is the purpose of voting for someone who stabbed you in the back. The long term results will be the same...so why not retain your pride and kick the Senators who kicked you.
54 posted on 06/26/2007 1:15:23 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: goldfinch
Well I did call the White House and the RNC to cancel any further donations.

But I’ll start to bother their staff, just for the fun of it.

55 posted on 06/26/2007 1:18:32 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Manic_Episode

I’m irritated about his vote right now.

I’m this close (holding thumb and forefinger very closely together) to calling up Coleman’s campaign office and telling ‘em to remove my name/address from all of their contributor and volunteer lists.

But I’m gonna cool off just a bit and see what other Freepers and Minnesota bloggers have to say before I do this.


56 posted on 06/26/2007 1:23:49 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Pusterfuss

This is the sanest answer to kicking out RINOs I have seen.
Kicking Coleman to the curb is not a win for Franken, Minnesota is the state that elected Jesse. Third parties need to take advantage of the no Amnesty sentiment and turn things around.


57 posted on 06/26/2007 1:25:20 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Pusterfuss

Ideal solution, but is it possible?


58 posted on 06/26/2007 1:26:31 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Paleo Conservative
It’s pretty hard to elect conservative Republicans in MN. I’ll take what I can get.

I won't.
59 posted on 06/26/2007 3:13:48 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: MplsSteve

Time for a primary challenge; paging Brian Sullivan (still interested?)

I wonder if Pawlenty is regretting his backing of the lame horse McCain? This debacle is the end of his presidential run for sure.


60 posted on 06/26/2007 5:29:28 PM PDT by gore_sux
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