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Beginning of the End? - President Bush moves to redefine the stem-cell debate.
National Review Online ^ | June 21, 2007 | Yuval Levin

Posted on 06/23/2007 2:49:21 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/23/2007 2:49:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 06/23/2007 2:50:33 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

to read later


3 posted on 06/23/2007 2:54:14 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: neverdem

Hmmmmm...


4 posted on 06/23/2007 2:57:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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To: neverdem

Count me as highly suspicious.


5 posted on 06/23/2007 3:00:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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To: neverdem

There are several legitimate ways to get pluripotent stem cells. The article published yesterday, if it was reliable, suggests that Bush plans to support the cloning of embryonic stem cells. If so, that is a horrible retreat from his record as a pro-life president.

The problem, of course, is that the liberals know damned well that embryonic stem cells don’t work as well as the others, but they want to implicate the healthcare industry in procuring abortions, so their beloved “right to abortion” will seem to have a useful purpose. So nothing but embryonic stem cells will suit these purveyors of the Culture of Death.

Cloning of humans would be just about as bad as harvesting embryos. Neither should even be permitted, let alone funded.


6 posted on 06/23/2007 4:27:50 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

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7 posted on 06/23/2007 4:53:20 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Cicero
The article published yesterday, if it was reliable, suggests that Bush plans to support the cloning of embryonic stem cells. If so, that is a horrible retreat from his record as a pro-life president.

What story was that? AFAIK, human cloning is not in the picture except for growing organs, tissues, etc., for regenerative medicine.

8 posted on 06/23/2007 5:08:34 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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9 posted on 06/23/2007 6:15:15 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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10 posted on 06/23/2007 6:30:31 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: Cicero

“The problem, of course, is that the liberals know damned well that embryonic stem cells don’t work as well as the others, but they want to implicate the healthcare industry in procuring abortions, so their beloved “right to abortion” will seem to have a useful purpose.”

That’s exactly it. It’s about abortion.


11 posted on 06/23/2007 7:04:51 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there. http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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12 posted on 06/23/2007 7:35:29 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: neverdem
As he vetoed the bill, Bush issued an executive order instructing his administration to support newly emerging alternative sources of pluripotent stem cells. The order formally acknowledges the changing nature of the debate, by changing the very name of the federal government’s registry of supported stem-cell lines from the “human embryonic stem cell registry” to the “human pluripotent stem cell registry.”

He gets it. We can have the best of both worlds - fully pluripotent cells without the destruction of life.

Now I ask you, why would some continue to push the destructive form, given the same objective can be achieved using more innocuous methods??????????

13 posted on 06/23/2007 8:33:54 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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“Now I ask you, why would some continue to push the destructive form, given the same objective can be achieved using more innocuous methods??????????”

Because they actually like death and abortion.


14 posted on 06/23/2007 8:37:47 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: neverdem

The political debate has been slow to catch up with all this.
***Not here on FR. We’re ahead of the pack, as usual.


15 posted on 06/23/2007 8:53:59 PM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: cpforlife.org
Do you think, as I do, there is an active desire to "stick it to" traditional-values conservatives by continuing to operate under - and actively disseminate - a pretended ignorance of the new, harmless methods? Could THAT be the true motivation?

Or do you believe, as others have articulated, that this is part of a continual quest to justify abortion in their own minds? ESCR would underscore the cold science under it.

Thirdly, there could be a few - witches, druids, satanists - who foster active hostility toward the unborn itself, or view it as a human sacrifice. I've seen more than a few pentagrams associated with pro-death causes.

I guess it's probably a little of all three.

16 posted on 06/23/2007 9:22:23 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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17 posted on 06/24/2007 1:44:38 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Lexinom
It's defiantly a combo of all three.

I recall Dr. Nathanson who founded NARAL and claims guilt for 60,000 abortions.

In his conversion book "Hand of God" he stated that he killed many unborn children of friends and one of his very own, never feeling anything other than doing a good and highly professional job.

Doing a “good and highly professional job” is probably the general mindset of these people. Their consciences are so dead and their eugenic utilitarian godless view of life is so warped they only want to expand their beloved culture of death. And many absolutely love to "stick it to" traditional-values conservatives.

Also, there was a pentagram in the attic above one of the abortion rooms at the NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL

18 posted on 06/24/2007 6:00:13 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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Yesterday, President Bush vetoed the bill Congress sent him, because it encourages the destruction of embryos. But as he did so, the President also showed that he, unlike the leaders of Congress, does understand that the basic premises of the debate are being radically revised, and for the better... As he vetoed the bill, Bush issued an executive order instructing his administration to support newly emerging alternative sources of pluripotent stem cells. The order formally acknowledges the changing nature of the debate, by changing the very name of the federal government’s registry of supported stem-cell lines from the "human embryonic stem cell registry" to the "human pluripotent stem cell registry." ...newly reconceived under this order, the NIH registry will now include all human stem cell lines with the abilities researchers have prized in embryonic stem cells, provided their development does not require the creation or destruction of embryos. The registry will therefore grow as new and ethically uncontroversial stem-cell techniques march forward.
By doing so, he also redefined (once again) the term "lame duck".
19 posted on 06/24/2007 7:41:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 23, 2007.)
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Bush deserves a lot of credit for sticking to his guns.

His bravery prevented the "kill the embryo" crowd from taking major control of the funds which were available for stem cell research.

I think stem cell research would have developed in a much different direction under a President Gore or a President Kerry.

20 posted on 06/24/2007 10:24:36 AM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War in 1950.)
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