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To: Enosh
Thank you for the link. I had no idea that there were so many 'writings' that could have been included in the Bible. I thought you had been talking about the extra books the Catholics include.

If your story contained an account of how Boomberg's predecessor was a cross-dressing RINO, it would be hard to believe. Then, of course, the archaeologist finds a picture of Rudy.

LOL Sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction.

I looked up your scripture that is supposed to be an unambiguous prophecy of Christ.

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

I can certainly see why the Jews didn't think that Jesus fulfilled that prophecy. Especially the part, "from that time on and forever". Also if I recall correctly there were lots and lots of 'Christs' at the time all claiming to be God.

I was honestly hoping for a little clearer Prophecy, not one that is open to a ton of misinterpretation.

2,297 posted on 07/09/2007 6:36:12 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: LeGrande
I was honestly hoping for a little clearer Prophecy, not one that is open to a ton of misinterpretation.

In the NT, there are many references to 'scripture' prophecies and many of them are refered to by Jesus Himself:


NIV Matthew 2:4-7
 4.  When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ  was to be born.
 5.  "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:
 6.  "`But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.' "
 7.  Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.


NIV Matthew 11:7-10
 7.  As John's disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: "What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind?
 8.  If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings' palaces.
 9.  Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet.
 10.  This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'


NIV Matthew 26:24
   The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."


NIV Matthew 26:31
   Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.' 


NIV Mark 1:1-4
 1.  The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
 2.  It is written in Isaiah the prophet: "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way" --
 3.  "a voice of one calling in the desert, `Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'"
 4.  And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.


NIV Mark 7:5-7
 5.  So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with `unclean' hands?"
 6.  He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
 7.  They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'


NIV Mark 9:11-13
 11.  And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
 12.  Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
 13.  But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."


NIV Luke 20:17-19
 17.  Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
 18.  Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."
 19.  The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.


NIV Luke 22:37
   It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."


NIV Luke 24:44-45
 44.  He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
 45.  Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.


NIV John 2:17-18
 17.  His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
 18.  Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"


NIV John 12:14-15
 14.  Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written, 
 15.  "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
 16.  At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:24-25
 24.  If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.
 25.  But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'


NIV Matthew 8:17
   This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases."


NIV Matthew 16:13-17
 13.  When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
 14.  They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
 15.  "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.


NIV Luke 3:15
   The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Christ.


NIV Luke 7:17-27
 17.  This news about Jesus spread throughout Judea  and the surrounding country.
 18.  John's disciples told him about all these things. Calling two of them,
 19.  he sent them to the Lord to ask, "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"
 20.  When the men came to Jesus , they said, "John the Baptist sent us to you to ask, `Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?'"
 21.  At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind.
 22.  So he replied to the messengers, "Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.
 23.  Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me."
 24.  After John's messengers left, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: "What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind?
 25.  If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear expensive clothes and indulge in luxury are in palaces.
 26.  But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet.
 27.  This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'


NIV John 10:24-26
 24.  The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ,  tell us plainly."
 25.  Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me,
 26.  but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.


NIV John 10:37-38
 37.  Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
 38.  But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."


NIV John 14:11
   Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

Now you may say that these 'prophecies' are open to interpretation, and I'll agree; but I will also say that I take JESUS' acceptance of them as evidence enough for me.

You'll note that even those who were directly in His presense sometimes did NOT believe the 'prophecies'.  This did not seem to upset Jesus, He merely told them, "Well; what about these MIRACLES that have happened before your very eyes?"

 

He asked the same questions of us today.  We may not have seen any of them, but we DO have the evidence of those who DID see them:

Luke 1

 1.  Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled  among us,
 2.  just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
 3.  Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 
 4.  so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

and


John 20:19-31
 19.  On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"
 20.  After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
 21.  Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."
 22.  And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
 23.  If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
 24.  Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
 25.  So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"   But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
 26.  A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"
 27.  Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."
 28.  Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
 29.  Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
 30.  Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
 31.  But these are written that you may  believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

I hope this adds a bit you what you wanted to see.

 

 

 

2,304 posted on 07/09/2007 11:59:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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