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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

According to the young men who visited my house, the morman belief in the Smith tablets found buried in upstate New York is based on Isiah 29:4

“And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.”

Hence the tablets are the word of God. So, I told them I was ready to join up and would they bring their leader with them the following week so I could do what I needed to do to join up. So the next week the leader came with them. I told them I had just two additional questions.

First I asked if they believed the word of God was the same yesterday, today and forever. They answered quite vigorously in the affirmative.

Then I pointed out the following:

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

1 Chronicles 10:13
So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

2 Chronicles 33:6
And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Then I asked them why Joseph Smith should not have been put to death for consorting with a familiar spirit. The young men were shocked and waited for the leader to answer. He didn’t and rushed them out of the house without answering the second question.

I’ve never met a morman who answered my second question.

Satan, the familiar spirit, will always draw attention to himself. That is his prideful nature—and his and his followers downfall.


22 posted on 06/23/2007 2:27:26 PM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: Founding Father

> Then I asked them why Joseph Smith should not have been put to death for consorting with a familiar spirit. The young men were shocked and waited for the leader to answer. He didn’t and rushed them out of the house without answering the second question.

Ummmm... perhaps for the same reason Jesus wasn’t put to death for participating in the Transfiguration...?

No, waitaminit! He *was* put to death shortly after the Transfiguration!

Cause? Or Effect? Or Coincidence? Or did He actually die for a different reason altogether like... ummmmmmmm... maybe for our Sins?

In my books your argument does not wash. And no, I am not a Mormon.

*DieHard*


32 posted on 06/23/2007 2:58:54 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: Founding Father

I would be very interested to hear any Morman Freeper answer your second question.


41 posted on 06/23/2007 3:28:46 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Founding Father; SVTCobra03
Well here I am a genuine Mormon FReeper to answer your question.

One obvious answer is that putting people to death for such things was under the Mosiac law which was fulfilled with the mission of Jesus. (Surely you knew this already. This is probably why the guys left. They realized you were more interested in playing a dumb "gotcha" game than actually converting, as you lied to them about on your first encounter.

BTW, You "story" doesn't make you look that good when you admit you intentionally lied them. Here are some other OT scripture you may be interested in re-reading - Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie, Lev. 19: 11. I hate and abhor lying, Ps. 119: 163. Lying lips are abomination to the Lord, Prov. 12: 22. They are my people that will not lie, Isa. 63: 8.

And a Book of Mormon scripture just for fun - Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell,

Another, answer is the same reason that it was wrong for those who killed the Apostles, they were not blaspheming but actually telling the turth about their theophany as did Jospeh Smith. He was actually visited by Jesus and ordained an Apostle.

>>>I’ve never met a morman who answered my second question.

Sorry, you won't be able to claim a Mormon never answered you about it again.

60 posted on 06/23/2007 3:56:16 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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